Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[aazak]

 

[Prevenger17]

Just reading about the two youngest deaths in the UK , the 45 and 59 year old.

One had motor neurone disease , which was reported. However what wasn't reported at the time was that he had two years to live, two years ago.

The 59 year old was retired due to health issues and contracted sepsis prior to having to attend hospital.

We know what the virus does , and it will have an impact on the elderly certainly who can't fight it off. But it's starting to feel like every death is being put down to Corona virus even if the cause of death may well have been something else. Almost like they are detecting it after or during death and listing it as the cause when really it's pneumonia / sepsis or something else that essential kills people anyway.

I know you may say that the virus causes that but it seems to convenient that they are dying through common means but don't have the virus at its worst for a cause of death, especially given the underlying health conditions they all have.

I don't know man, all a little odd. For ever person who has sadly lost their life through the virus is one reported who is loosely connected to it almost.

Mate, it's a real thing. What exactly do you think this is, some sort of elaborate conspiracy?

 

[Harryflashman]

I’ve been happy to criticise this government , a lot , and on occasion it’s response but if she’s been hospitalised and they felt she had the virus I’m puzzled at face value why she wouldn’t be tested . Without knowing details I’d be tempted to think there is a medical reason or decision behind that . Obviously I’ve no clue

 

[Barnfred 55]

Please also boycott Britannia Hotels.

They own the Adelphi.

The older amongst you will no doubt remember Eileen Downey, of "just cook will yer" fame. She is (or was) CEO of Brittania

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure more ideas will come forward in the coming days.
It's all new to everyone this Bruce.
If you have any ideas yourself PM me and I will put them forward to store managers.

Oh for sure, it's a tough time, and you could argue that the lady could have had more support from those closest to her (whomever was looking after her child for instance), and equally whomever was making her work a 48 hour shift should be ashamed.

Perhaps the best thing would be to focus on the stores that are in the hospitals themselves or have an NHS code that people can put into an online order to guarantee delivery to the hospital or something. Tough times though for sure.

 

[Kenshin]

Mate, it's a real thing. What exactly do you think this is, some sort of elaborate conspiracy?

I'm not saying it's not a real thing.

I'm saying every day more and more symptoms that cause death are reported to the extent that anything is being put down as a cause of death seemingly. But these things are common in unhealthy people to begin with, south of the elderly.

I can see how someone 70 or above is being adversely affected by the virus because their body won't be able to fight it. However in the case of the poor 59 year old, he had no contact with anyone and still ended up with it.

Is it at all possible in the cases that make the headlines , that they maybe contract it just before they die hence why they detect it? These people aren't going into hospital with respiratory issues which is a pretty big effect of the virus.

 

[Amw79]

LBC political commentator Theo Usherwood, in hospital with pneumonia and suspected COVID-19, not confirmed, but likely given the circumstances.

Unsure if he had underlying health issues (asthma or the like), but goes against the notion that all serious cases are those who were on death’s door anyway.

(Realise this is an anecdote and not data).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Disappointing that was your first thought really.

When I told my misses about the story, that was her first thought too tbh. Not the driving, but the inherent unsafeness of working that long. Not only would that lady's decision making be massively undermined, but her immune system as well, so she'd be highly likely to catch something, whether coronavirus or one of the multitude of other bugs going around hospitals. Her exact words were along the lines that it's not heroic, but stupid. Obviously the circumstances around this situation are unknown, but nurses and doctors doing 48 hour shifts is not something we should be aiming for.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What would testing enable them do differently though? It obviously changes the stats, but in terms of clinical behaviours, if she's not critical it'd be exactly the same regardless. No idea obviously, but maybe because of a shortage of tests, they're being rationed for those who are showing critical conditions?

 

[Harryflashman]

LBC political commentator Theo Usherwood, in hospital with pneumonia and suspected COVID-19, not confirmed, but likely given the circumstances.

Unsure if he had underlying health issues (asthma or the like), but goes against the notion that all serious cases are those who were on death’s door anyway.

(Realise this is an anecdote and not data).

see again like the doctor above this really puzzles and frankly now concerns me . He is In hospital with pneumonia and suspected of having covid-19 well unless they waiting for the test results to confirm why aren’t they waiting for the test results ?

if these anecdotal stories are true then they are worrying , Other countries are rolling out mass testing and it would seem we aren’t even testing those suspected of having the virus . Now ultimately there may be more to this and perhaps we have to trust those at the sharp end and look beyond tweets but if taken at face value it certainly seems to raise questions .

 

[Kenshin]

I'm not saying it's not a real thing.

I'm saying every day more and more symptoms that cause death are reported to the extent that anything is being put down as a cause of death seemingly. But these things are common in unhealthy people to begin with, south of the elderly.

I can see how someone 70 or above is being adversely affected by the virus because their body won't be able to fight it. However in the case of the poor 59 year old, he had no contact with anyone and still ended up with it.

Is it at all possible in the cases that make the headlines , that they maybe contract it just before they die hence why they detect it? These people aren't going into hospital with respiratory issues which is a pretty big effect of the virus.

@Prevenger17

Actually do have an example of what I mean.

Years ago a friend of the in-law family went into hospital with failing health and whilst recovering in hospital he died with swine flu.

Except he wasn't in hospital for anything to do with swine flu , no symptoms of it , was his own health that was failing him to begin with. He caught swine flu it seems whilst in hospital and that is why it was put down as cause of death.

And swine flu was just as much a real thing , it just only appeared at the last minute before he passed.

 

[Harryflashman]

What would testing enable them do differently though? It obviously changes the stats, but in terms of clinical behaviours, if she's not critical it'd be exactly the same regardless. No idea obviously, but maybe because of a shortage of tests, they're being rationed for those who are showing critical conditions?

don’t you think though it allows us a better picture of what’s going on ? If we know they have the virus then we can surely have a better idea of where it’s spreading and how , then perhaps combat that . if she’s got it then those close to her need to be isolated , more firmly than advised surely , and perhaps tested themselves . Like I say I’m clueless but everything I read says testing allows you to close down the spread by tracing where it’s going and where it’s come from . If she’s in hospital and you think she’s got it then I’m not sure when else you should be testing , again though I want to be educated on this .

 

[Amw79]

see again like the doctor above this really puzzles and frankly now concerns me . He is In hospital with pneumonia and suspected of having covid-19 well unless they waiting for the test results to confirm why aren’t they waiting for the test results ?

if these anecdotal stories are true then they are worrying , Other countries are rolling out mass testing and it would seem we aren’t even testing those suspected of having the virus . Now ultimately there may be more to this and perhaps we have to trust those at the sharp end and look beyond tweets but if taken at face value it certainly seems to raise questions .

not quite sure what you’re asking here?

My understanding, is that those in hospital with respiratory illness, particularly pneumonia are getting tested, so assume Theo and his family are awaiting COVID test results.

 

[LostLegend]

Back in work today. Apparently, as I work in food production, we’re considered essential workers, despite making snacks almost exclusively lol

Rumours from the top are that we’ll still get our full pay if off sick, but will drop to 70% wages if there’s a full site shutdown.

It’s not ideal, but given what’s happening in the catering/hospitality sectors, we’re probably some of the lucky ones.

 

[aazak]

What would testing enable them do differently though? It obviously changes the stats, but in terms of clinical behaviours, if she's not critical it'd be exactly the same regardless. No idea obviously, but maybe because of a shortage of tests, they're being rationed for those who are showing critical conditions?

In any one case, I don't know, and I'm a layman, but here's my concern. The WHO and a lot of countries seem to be saying to try to test every likely case and then trace all of their contacts to get them to isolate. The UK government have given the strong impression that they are not doing that.