Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

@Prevenger17

Actually do have an example of what I mean.

Years ago a friend of the in-law family went into hospital with failing health and whilst recovering in hospital he died with swine flu.

Except he wasn't in hospital for anything to do with swine flu , no symptoms of it , was his own health that was failing him to begin with. He caught swine flu it seems whilst in hospital and that is why it was put down as cause of death.

And swine flu was just as much a real thing , it just only appeared at the last minute before he passed.

Key word there being: recovering.

So yes, swine flu was the cause the same way COVID-19 is currently the cause for lots with failing health.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

don’t you think though it allows us a better picture of what’s going on ? If we know they have the virus then we can surely have a better idea of where it’s spreading and how , then perhaps combat that . if she’s got it then those close to her need to be isolated , more firmly than advised surely , and perhaps tested themselves . Like I say I’m clueless but everything I read says testing allows you to close down the spread by tracing where it’s going and where it’s come from . If she’s in hospital and you think she’s got it then I’m not sure when else you should be testing , again though I want to be educated on this .

Dunno mate. Requires a bit of common sense doesn't it? I'm taking it as given that my wife has it, so we're both self-isolating. I don't really know how many tests are available, but I think my wife said that the mobile unit that was by her clinic had stopped this week, so I do wonder if there's a big enough supply of tests as it doesn't really make sense to limit what is a largely harmless procedure otherwise.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In any one case, I don't know, and I'm a layman, but here's my concern. The WHO and a lot of countries seem to be saying to try to test every likely case and then trace all of their contacts to get them to isolate. The UK government have given the strong impression that they are not doing that.

Dunno mate. Like I said to Harry, you need to use a bit of common sense imo. If anyone in your family presents symptoms that even hint at it, stick them in isolation and isolate yourself. I'm not sure people should really need telling this.

 

[tsubaki]

LBC political commentator Theo Usherwood, in hospital with pneumonia and suspected COVID-19, not confirmed, but likely given the circumstances.

Unsure if he had underlying health issues (asthma or the like), but goes against the notion that all serious cases are those who were on death’s door anyway.

(Realise this is an anecdote and not data).

Not being conspiratorial here I hope, but it is perhaps unique (in terms of other pandemics) how often this disease has gone straight to the top of government / politics / society in multiple countries now. It must be a lot more widespread than is acknowledged.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

lol

The hero we need...

 

[tsubaki]

Was a bit unsure as to whether I had it or not after feeling better yesterday, but chest hurt going to bed last night and does so even more this morning. Glad I self-isolated as soon as I felt ill.

 

[Harryflashman]

not quite sure what you’re asking here?

My understanding, is that those in hospital with respiratory illness, particularly pneumonia are getting tested, so assume Theo and his family are awaiting COVID test results.

thats what I mean , if they don’t know because they simply just aren’t waiting for the test results then why aren’t they just waiting for the results . What’s the reason they don’t know , why haven’t they done the test ?

Exactly as you say that was my understanding and that’s why I was prepared to look beyond that with the previous tweet , if Theo Usherwood also hadn’t been tested then Is there a change to what we’d been told .

I have no real understanding of what’s going on but that is something I thought I’d followed .

 

[The binman chronicles]

Id rather go without....

To be fair if it was just me I could do without and survive on basic rations, but to see your family go hungry is something I couldn't bear.

So I understand why they do it just not to the extremes they have in this case.

 

[aazak]

Dunno mate. Like I said to Harry, you need to use a bit of common sense imo. If anyone in your family presents symptoms that even hint at it, stick them in isolation and isolate yourself. I'm not sure people should really need telling this.

I hope you are right, but I can't make myself believe it.

 

[Harryflashman]

Dunno mate. Like I said to Harry, you need to use a bit of common sense imo. If anyone in your family presents symptoms that even hint at it, stick them in isolation and isolate yourself. I'm not sure people should really need telling this.

Of course not but it’s also significantly easier to bang that message out when reinforced with a positive test and it’s also easier to track back potential infection by testing back . Other countries seem to have been successful with large scale testing we’ve chosen a different , or initially chose , route where apparently we test those hospitalised but given we’re talking about people hospitalised it seems odd that there is a debate about testing .

 

[Catfish Blues]

Dear GOT,

I am not a regular poster in here but I do read posts from time to time and know that someone out there can help me with my dilemma.
I work in a school in central London. Today we had the ‘interview’. Some of us were told, others asked, to go onto the rota for opening the school indefinitely (not even time off for Easter) to the children of key workers and vulnerable children.
I will be at work 3 days a week and then teaching online the other two days. A 10 mile round journey walk to boot!.

What is the dilemma I hear you ask?

It guess I’d like to hear a few opinions on the matter. What does the rest of the world know that we don’t?

I understand this is an unfamiliar world to us all and it will be difficult for all. But who wants to be the first into battle with an invisible enemy??


Any sincere opinions will be greatly appreciated.

yours sincerely

Sir

Hi mate

I understand your concern, and would be nervous about the situation if I was in your shoes, because plainly, you're being asked to effectively ignore the advice given by the government.

A quick google suggests that we're not the only European country to do something similar to what the UK government is planning. Both Germany and Finland have closed educational establishments, but are providing child care for key workers.

There's not enough detail in what I've read to say how that childcare is being provided, what those countries define key workers as, and what age of children it covers, but there's plainly some overlap with what we'll be doing.

Take care of yourself, what you're being asked to do is over and above what most of us will do, and it is appreciated.

 

[orchard]

This biggest worry for me in the coming days is Hand Sanitizer/Wet Wipes/TP.

I spent the last two days searching for any of these things. Zero to be found in a 52 mile radius.

I mean rubbing alcohol and aloe are gone.

A/H1N1 was shown to be made inactive using either 1% bleach,10% malt vinegar, or 0.01% washing up liquid.

 

[Kenshin]

Key word there being: recovering.

So yes, swine flu was the cause the same way COVID-19 is currently the cause for lots with failing health.

Ahh but perspective.

It's in some cases just negatively affecting people when their immune system is already shot.

That's what I'm trying to say. Anything could have the same effect and it's not killing anyone south of elderly through its effects alone.

Perhaps anyway, who knows, I certainly can't say for sure.

All I'm saying is what if the death count is skewered to inflate it the numbers which is putting negative news stories out there. There's still plenty of cases famously with celebrities who aren't getting the symptoms including Tom hanks himself.

Potentially anyone can die from the virus in hospital , even if the reason why they are there it vunreble to any virus in general has nothing to do with it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

When I told my misses about the story, that was her first thought too tbh. Not the driving, but the inherent unsafeness of working that long. Not only would that lady's decision making be massively undermined, but her immune system as well, so she'd be highly likely to catch something, whether coronavirus or one of the multitude of other bugs going around hospitals. Her exact words were along the lines that it's not heroic, but stupid. Obviously the circumstances around this situation are unknown, but nurses and doctors doing 48 hour shifts is not something we should be aiming for.

When I saw that my first thought was that she had done a 48 hour residential shift where there was plenty of down time where she was on call. She would have had some sleep. Nobody can work flat out for 2 days.

Having said that she was clearly at the end of her tether and unable to cope emotionally with the situation. Our frontline medical staff cannot be expected to make the right decisions when put under so much stress

 

[Amw79]

thats what I mean , if they don’t know because they simply just aren’t waiting for the test results then why aren’t they just waiting for the results . What’s the reason they don’t know , why haven’t they done the test ?

Exactly as you say that was my understanding and that’s why I was prepared to look beyond that with the previous tweet , if Theo Usherwood also hadn’t been tested then Is there a change to what we’d been told .

I have no real understanding of what’s going on but that is something I thought I’d followed .

yeah, my guess Is they’re waiting for the COVID result, but obviously x-rays would have confirmed pneumonia already which is really the crucial bit, as COViD causes pneumonia, and a quite serious version of it.