Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Barricade them in and tear gas the holy hell outta em.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

 

[cahill007]

You've been on here for thirteen years, and you've only realised the underpinning forum rule of GOT - the public vs. Dave; ying vs. yang; sense vs. farcical.

Keep it on the down low... Dave is the primary example that the FSB wheel out when they're training their ol' Russki bots due to his unflappability.

If Dave begins agreeing with the norm, I'm worried that the world might actually stop.

13 years dam, i remember finding this place from toffee web. I dont post much but i do like to read

 

[davek]

Breakdown on that:

 

[davek]

Barricade them in and tear gas the holy hell outta em.

They can clearly be identified.

Name them. Shame them.

Surely the media can do that.

 

[Barnfred 55]

CMO though, that’s his job really frank advice on Public Health, I’m not sure he’s being overly cautious either, I mean the U.K. are what a quarter in to their full vaccination programme, in that context there still is a vulnerability to and if there was a surge.

Seems to me, the narrative on a third wave seems to overarching over the last week by many in and connected to the U.K. Government.

Personally I think it's just timed to coincide with the partial re-opening which we had Monday, and the full next phase to come in from April 12th. They are telling us to exercise caution and to stick to the SD rules, because they know full well that a small minority won't. They are using fear of a third wave in the hope that people follow the rules. It won't work. Those that follow the rules will and those that don't won't. Can't wait for the mixed messages excuse to start again though.

 

[BlueToff]

Just shows how few people are genuinely seriously impacted by this in terms of needing life-saving treatment.

Now, before anyone jumps on this, I'm not saying we've done wrong locking down etc etc. It just puts it into perspective, and shows how for the vast majority of people, the immune system alone can see this off.

Now we have the vaccines on top of this.

It's a positive sign, it really is.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Just shows how few people are genuinely seriously impacted by this in terms of needing life-saving treatment.

Now, before anyone jumps on this, I'm not saying we've done wrong locking down etc etc. It just puts it into perspective, and shows how for the vast majority of people, the immune system alone can see this off.

Now we have the vaccines on top of this.

It's a positive sign, it really is.

Unless that percentage includes those vaccinated which largely would make up that figure!

 

[BlueToff]

We dont need lockdowns. We need a different lifestyle whereby intense targetted intervention into a person's life when infected is tolerated for the greater good (ie, track and trace which forcibly compels quarantining that person and his contacts). That's what happens in countries that have all but eliminated the virus as a major existential threat.

The consumerist, individualistic largely non-interventionist Western countries will continue to suffer a massive death rate until we adapt and change.

Vaccines wont do it for us. They'll, at best. give us a few weeks or months free from mega death, then they'll become largely obsolete and we'll need different vaccine...and round and round and round in an endless cycle of spike then trough taking with it hundreds of thousands of lives.

This is a Darwinian moment. Adapt or perish.

Look at the figures. 55% of people in the UK are estimated to have had COVID.

You're treating it like it's the plague.

 

[BlueToff]

Unless that percentage includes those vaccinated which largely would make up that figure!

Maybe but I don't think that's how it works though, is it?

The vaccines aren't 'live' - this is at least what my director at works has been told when she went for her covid test. She's got an op this week, had her jab on the 18th/19th, so was concerned she'd test positive (again) and not be able to go for her op, but they said it's not an issue because the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine?

 

[Neiler]

Just shows how few people are genuinely seriously impacted by this in terms of needing life-saving treatment.

Now, before anyone jumps on this, I'm not saying we've done wrong locking down etc etc. It just puts it into perspective, and shows how for the vast majority of people, the immune system alone can see this off.

Now we have the vaccines on top of this.

It's a positive sign, it really is.

Surely the antibodies are from the vaccine, no?

With a cohort of those who have had it - im sure as well.

 

[BlueToff]

Surely the antibodies are from the vaccine, no?

Well potentially it's a combination?

We haven't vaccinated 55% (one dose) yet, so surely they wouldn't be able to extrapolate all that data based on the vaccination rate.

Plus, the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine, so would the antibodies definitely show up?

EDIT: According to this, 9% of people don't show antibodies. https://theconversation.com/why-you...n-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus-155712

 

[Neiler]

Well potentially it's a combination?

We haven't vaccinated 55% (one dose) yet, so surely they wouldn't be able to extrapolate all that data based on the vaccination rate.

Plus, the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine, so would the antibodies definitely show up?

Arent you guys at 50% of dose one, that will give you anti bodies, then there is a cohort who have had Covid that will show antibodies.

Must be a mix, looking at Daves figures - we can see there is more antibodies in older groups then younger - that's were the vaccine has started and now working their way down through the age groups.

That's how interrupt in anyway.

 

[BlueToff]

@Neiler and @ForeverBlue92

Even if I'm getting mixed up - could well be the case, probably is! - it's still a good sign.

The mortality rate for this is often put across as 3-4% but really we all know it's much lower.

Vaccines and the immune systems of most people can fight this off without any need for a hospital visit - whether that means no symptoms, or fatigue or being knocked out for a few days, it isn't going to mean hospital.

 

[BlueToff]

Arent you guys at 50% of dose one, that will give you anti bodies, then there is a cohort who have had that will show antibodies.

Must be a mix, looking at Daves figures - we can see there is more antibodies in older groups then younger - that's were the vaccine has started and now working their way down through the agw groups.

That's how interrupt in anyway.

50% of adults have had first dose.

That ONS data says 1 in 2 people.

I imagine they'd be including kids in that too, unless they've gone on to stress it's adults?