Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

Yes. And now he's saying they wont be as effective.

These people know the only way to get on top of the virus is to operate like societies in the East do and get the population onside to accept a draconian track and trace system.

The vaccines are crude foirst generation jabs that will help but wont stop the virus killing lots of people.

Wake up and recognise that. Itls now what youlre being told as the likes of Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam begin to level with people on the cusp of restrictions being lifted.

There is a change of message here and you best heed it.

Because he's a clown. An idiot who knew his stuff in the books but has been found out severely when the real thing hit, and is now constantly covering his own arse.

He knows the vaccines sorts this out - but he doesn't want to be culpable in any way for the few thousand remaining deaths to come.

He's an irrelevance. Your posts are, quite frankly, bonkers, when even the worst case modelling - basically where we stop vaccinating last month - predicts 20,000 additional deaths over the next 18 months.

We're in the last leg of this thing now. There'll be variants that will crop up but none that get a foothold before we vaccinate against them.

 

[davek]

Again Dave, your source is terrible.

Whitty is basically football insider at this point, if he told me it was raining, I would wear a t-shirt and shorts.

The weird little egg is not to be trusted, stop listening to him.

He's a puppet, but the message he's giving now is the real deal. Gone is the BS claims about what vaccines will do; now we get the limitiations of them hammered home.

 

[davek]

Because he's a clown. An idiot who knew his stuff in the books but has been found out severely when the real thing hit, and is now constantly covering his own arse.

He knows the vaccines sorts this out - but he doesn't want to be culpable in any way for the few thousand remaining deaths to come.

He's an irrelevance. Your posts are, quite frankly, bonkers, when even the worst case modelling - basically where we stop vaccinating last month - predicts 20,000 additional deaths over the next 18 months.

We're in the last leg of this thing now. There'll be variants that will crop up but none that get a foothold before we vaccinate against them.

I'm shaking my head reading that. You're living in a fools paradise mate.

Believe me, I hope you're right and not me. But you cant see the obvious here. They know anything like normal activity again with this UK variant alone will see infections spike and the likelihood of another mutation that breaks through the vaccines.

Take your head out of the sand.

 

[Goat]

He's a puppet, but the message he's giving now is the real deal. Gone is the BS claims about what vaccines will do; now we get the limitiations of them hammered home.

"I know hes chatted wham in the past, but you really need to listen to him now" says Dave, 73, from just outside Wigan.

No thanks dave.

 

[Tubey]

I;m shaking my head reading that. Your'e living in a fools paradise mate.

Believe me, I hope you're right and not me. But you cant see the obvious here. They know anything lie normal activity again with this UK variant alone will see infections spike and the likelihood of anlother mutation that breaks through the vaccines.

Take your head out of the sand.

Another mutation? I was unaware of a mutation that nullified the vaccines and caused serious disease and death.

You do know viruses tend to mutate to become less deadly, as killing their host is the worst possible outcome for it right?

 

[davek]

"I know hes chatted wham in the past, but you really need to listen to him now" says Dave, 73, from just outside Wigan.

No thanks dave.

I know beyond all this flaming you understand I'm right.

 

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[Goat]

I know beyond all this flaming you understand I'm right.

I don't think vaccines alone will work.

So yes, regards social distancing, track and trace, fast crackdown on surges, you are spot on there.

But as far as holding off with the current reopening, I see nothing in the current data that prevents us from opening up in stages.

 

[Tubey]

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Such a joke of an organisation. Needs disbanding and the bits of good they do reformed into something without overt political influence.

Beholden to China, blatantly. Basically a propaganda arm of the CCP.

 

[BlueToff]

So because certain sections of society are too selfish or stupid to want a vaccine they get a payout to persuade them?

Again, not for me.

If large swathes of the young generstion hadn't been obviously without consideration for others then perhaps a suggestion like that may garner support. Unfortunately for everyone they have chosen to risk people's lives for a bit of fun.

Get everyone vaccinated and then once the whole population has been offered it cut off services and access to anyone who has declined a vaccine not on valid medical grounds.

Thing is, there's no chance that persuading young people to get the vaccine is going to be an issue.

It's not, at all. They'll (we) will get it.

 

[BlueToff]

We could have a 100% effective vaccine and the idiot would still be advocating caution because some people wouldn't have it.

He knows what he's doing. He's covering his own arse. He knows, as we all do, that people will continue to die from COVID, and he's being a coward by not acknowledging the balance between that and society functioning.

It's deeply cynical what he's doing IMO.

Isn't that what he said earlier in the presser though - and all along since the roadmap was announced?

He isn't explicitly saying 'there's a trade off', because then he'd get called evil, but he's made a point of saying (and he stressed this earlier) that there are going to be spikes every time we open up, they are inevitable, but that it's nothing unexpected.

Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, but to me 'nothing unexpected' will basically mean they have a number/figure/R-number in mind, whatever, that if hit, will curtail certain parts of the roadmap.

I don't think there's anything wrong with repeating that mantra, because if not, you'll get loads of people going full Dave any time there's some daft headline about school cases surging etc

 

[BlueToff]

We can control variants: through vaccination.

But then any time we open up, the virus will still be there, mutating, so we'll just come into a world that we can't handle because of the new variants, and it's back in the house/cell we go.

There's no perfect way out of this - we all know that. But, and this has been my point all along, you have to open up at some point. At some stage, every single country has to take that first step, and second step, and third and so on and so on. The vaccines allow that.

Yes, there'll be variants. The vaccination gives a base level of protection on top of the immune system (which as the vast majority of people who have contracted this virus have shown, does a pretty blood job of doing what it needs to and that's fighting it off with either no symptoms or very mild ones).

For the vast majority of people, that level of protection is going to be absolutely fine.

It's then about targetting the groups which need an extra level of protection, but we already do that with success every year with the flu jab - and all of these vaccines have a better rate of efficacy than any flu jab, to boot.

 

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[cahill007]

This thread reminds me of the GOT forum vs DaveK on Martinez

or vs Davek on Brands

or vs Davek on Moshiri

I may be going crazy here but it seems to me as if there is a majority consensus on here, then there is a high chance Dave will disagree with it.

Perhaps Dave provides balance to the force.

 

[cahill007]

This thread reminds me of the GOT forum vs DaveK on Martinez

or vs Davek on Brands

or vs Davek on Moshiri

I may be going crazy here but it seems to me as if there is a majority consensus on here, then there is a high chance Dave will disagree with it.

Perhaps Dave provides balance to the force.