Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
Well potentially it's a combination?

We haven't vaccinated 55% (one dose) yet, so surely they wouldn't be able to extrapolate all that data based on the vaccination rate.

Plus, the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine, so would the antibodies definitely show up?

EDIT: According to this, 9% of people don't show antibodies. https://theconversation.com/why-you...n-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus-155712
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It is, and in the older cohorts its going to be mostly the vaccine. If 80% of the over-80s had the disease (rather than the vaccine) we'd have a death rate far higher than we do.
 
tsubaki said:
It is, and in the older cohorts its going to be mostly the vaccine. If 80% of the over-80s had the disease (rather than the vaccine) we'd have a death rate far higher than we do.
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Oh yeah I know that.

Again, not advocating doing too much too soon and let's get those over 80s and really vulnerable groups the full amount of protection by April 15th - which seems we're still on target for.
 
BlueToff said:
50% of adults have had first dose.

That ONS data says 1 in 2 people.

I imagine they'd be including kids in that too, unless they've gone on to stress it's adults?
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Well i doubt they have tested 100% of the population, its probably a projective study.

You will have antibodies after dose 1, dose 2 copper -fastens the long term antibody response.
 
Neiler said:
Well i doubt they have tested 100% of the population, its probably a projective study.

You will have antibodies after dose 1, dose 2 copper -fastens the long term antibody response.
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Oh I know it'll just be based on a small sample size and then an estimate from there.

Just do think it shows that it can't be all down to the vaccines and will probably be an indication of what we know to be true - that most people don't need any help to get through this. But, of course, put the vaccine on top of that and it's double protection (even just with one dose as we saw in the presser yesterday - that graph that Vallance spoke about and I posted on here was very clear), and will be even more with two doses.

Then, it's about a really targeted, booster-style approach later in the year.
 
Fantastic to see the metric for lockdown in Ireland has changed again, it was people in hospital was too high to ease restrictions, now that theres only a handful of people in hospital the case numbers are the metric for sustained lockdown, they swap between 7,10 and 14 day incidence rate per hundred thousand and use whichever is highest. The current cases are mainly people under 40 ya know those that most likely wont need hospital care. I'm sick to the arse of lockdown, I'm sick to the arse of a constantly changing metric to tell us how bad things are.
 
davek said:
We dont need lockdowns. We need a different lifestyle whereby intense targetted intervention into a person's life when infected is tolerated for the greater good (ie, track and trace which forcibly compels quarantining that person and his contacts). That's what happens in countries that have all but eliminated the virus as a major existential threat.

The consumerist, individualistic largely non-interventionist Western countries will continue to suffer a massive death rate until we adapt and change.

Vaccines wont do it for us. They'll, at best. give us a few weeks or months free from mega death, then they'll become largely obsolete and we'll need different vaccine...and round and round and round in an endless cycle of spike then trough taking with it hundreds of thousands of lives.

This is a Darwinian moment. Adapt or perish.
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You could just stay in forever and leave the rest of us to get on with it ?
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Bloody evil Europeans, I mean bloody evil Common Wealth, I mean half French the Canadians, bloody foreigners innit.

Have feeling this country won't fit the narrative, thus media won't be briefed by Government.
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Why do I get the feeling you start celebrating whenever there's any inkling of bad news concerning something regarded as British.
 
BlueToff said:
Well potentially it's a combination?

We haven't vaccinated 55% (one dose) yet, so surely they wouldn't be able to extrapolate all that data based on the vaccination rate.

Plus, the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine, so would the antibodies definitely show up?

EDIT: According to this, 9% of people don't show antibodies. https://theconversation.com/why-you...n-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus-155712
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Between vaccination and recorded infection stats there are around 35 million people. Of course some of those who have been vaccinated will also have had it, some will have had it and died, and some will have had it and not recorded, but it's not a million miles off if you include vaccinated and infected.
 
BlueToff said:
Just shows how few people are genuinely seriously impacted by this in terms of needing life-saving treatment.

Now, before anyone jumps on this, I'm not saying we've done wrong locking down etc etc. It just puts it into perspective, and shows how for the vast majority of people, the immune system alone can see this off.

Now we have the vaccines on top of this.

It's a positive sign, it really is.
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The survey must include those that have been vaccinated Toff. That can be the only reason why the older age groups figures are so good.

I'm more interested in the younger age groups as it shows how many have developed antibodies naturally.
 
BlueToff said:
Maybe but I don't think that's how it works though, is it?

The vaccines aren't 'live' - this is at least what my director at works has been told when she went for her covid test. She's got an op this week, had her jab on the 18th/19th, so was concerned she'd test positive (again) and not be able to go for her op, but they said it's not an issue because the virus doesn't show up in your system after the vaccine?
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I don't know about the live bit mate. I've seen that before, but my brother had a stem cell transfer (like a bone marrow transfusion) recently and he's been told he can't have the vaccine yet because it is a live one.
 
I read the other day of an Amish community in the USA who had reopened their church and have now achieved herd immunity.....
 
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