Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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The study was unable to determine whether any infected staff or pupils had caught the virus in the school setting.
It might be anecdotal, but our youngest contracted the virus while he had been nowhere but school and in contact with nobody else.

This is shortly after his teacher, her LSA and many other of his classmates (along with other staff and pupils) had tested positive for the virus before him.

As a betting man, I'd lay money on him getting it there.
 
Open them asap


IMO, keep them shut - or ‘open’ as they are now - up until after the Easter break.

6 weeks more of vaccines at this pace and these types of measures should see us in a much stronger position at easter, heading into the warmer weather too.

But I have a feeling they’ll go earlier and I just hope the risk doesn’t backfire

it’s been about 6 weeks since we locked down again. Another 6 weeks would be tough but doable; and hopefully would pay off
 
Agree with the first sentence, disagree with the second.

Think it the responsibility of all governments to ensure that there is equitable vaccine distribution and not even out of altruism but to ensure that there is less risk of harmful mutations appearing.

Would spreading the same amount of doses across the globe really impact on mutations, though ? With the current supply we wouldn't be able to get more than 10% of the global population vaccinated.

Genuine question, as I would have assumed that wouldn't do much good.
 
There was no scientific basis to that change of schedule, and, far from "paying off" as some people seem to believe, it may still return to haunt the UK.

This was another economy over health decision: the plan of jabs for the very vulnerable groups in the over-70 categories and the very vulnerable should have remained at 3 weeks between jabs. Then and only then we should have reached down into the population to younger groups - at a time also when infections were back under some control.

Instead, the UK government have taken the decision to reach more people with one jab, reaching down to everyone over 50 and, after May, younger groups still. That has to have been a decision made to promote confidence and an early reopening of the economy.

Any major decision made concerning the crisis in the UK is taken with capital's interest uppermost. That one being no exception. We currently have the specatcle of a PM apparently advocating caution against his backbenchers on reopening up too early. But it is, in reality, the good cop / bad cop routine, and it'll play out to an obvious conclusion: restrictions removed way too early and the people of the UK exposed once again to a resurgence of the virus. THAT is why this country has the highest per capita fatality rate in the world.

Leaving the EU has opened another door into the world of corporate fascism...and we are seeing this government taking us through it step by step.
There was scientific basis though, I’ve posted several US based scientists who have also argued about spacing out the shots.

Indeed if had to guess I think the most plausible result of delaying the second Pfizer jab will be that, despite an increase in symptomatic infection and perhaps even a few hospitalizations, that the benefit will turn out to outweigh the risks.

I am just really uncomfortable with not backing up that hypothesis with real time date collection to ensure it is panning out and the whole ethics involved.
 
33% of care staff and 20% of NHS staff have refused to be vaccinated to date.

Its absolutely disgusting that everyone is making so many sacrifices and such a high percentage of these key workers are not getting vaccinated.

Unless they are pregnant or have a legitimate reason to not get vaccinated give them 3 weeks to get vaccinated and if they haven't been vaccinated put them on leave until they are vaccinated.
 
There was scientific basis though, I’ve posted several US based scientists who have also argued about spacing out the shots.

Indeed if had to guess I think the most plausible result of delaying the second Pfizer jab will be that, despite an increase in symptomatic infection and perhaps even a few hospitalizations, that the benefit will turn out to outweigh the risks.

I am just really uncomfortable with not backing up that hypothesis with real time date collection to ensure it is panning out and the whole ethics involved.
But that's a hypothesis which, as you point out in your last sentence, always needed to be proven. We just dont know.

UK government policy in possiby degrading the potency of the 1st jabs is motivated by a determination to withdraw the lockdown and get Q2 performance up and running and accelerating into the summer.

It's seat of the pants decision making that may or may not work. But tens of thousands of lives depend on it. It was the wrong move, one not replicated by any other major western nation. THAT's why we have a catastrophe here like no other nation's.
 
Would spreading the same amount of doses across the globe really impact on mutations, though ? With the current supply we wouldn't be able to get more than 10% of the global population vaccinated.

Genuine question, as I would have assumed that wouldn't do much good.
At the current time agree that wouldn’t make a huge dent in it (although it would probably make a large dent in mortality figures).

But by the end of the year I can envision that a lot of developed nations will be largely vaccinated whilst say Africa being less than 5% and still having major Covid waves and I find that worrying not just from an ethical standpoint.
 
Hospital figures - 262 deaths were announced today, down 109 on yesterday and down 79 on last Monday. 231 deaths were in English hospitals, down 70 on yesterday and down 82 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 502.86

All settings - 230 deaths were announced today, down 28 on yesterday and down 103 on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 656.86

For the 60 day cut off, 261 deaths were announced today, down 36 on yesterday and down 118 on last Monday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 807.57
 
There are MAJOR doubts about loss of potency between first to second jabs over such a long period as 3 months.
Doubts in the media is all this 'loss of potency' is based on, no scientist has advised it's a bad idea to my knowledge. If I'm wrong then send the link, and I'll hold my hands up. This is about saving lives. The country is essentially on fire with Covid. And getting more vaccinated at 70% is better than less at 90%. It's for the great of good, and over the next three months will save many lives.
 
The Irish, it's fair to say, have performed a lot better than the UK in this crisis. That's almost completely down to a divergence in political ideology. Your establishment political class are being kept honest by having Sinn Fein breathing down their necks ready to pounce on any catastrophic error in leaving your population exposed. We have the insipid Starmer zombie LP.

I'll bet there's no equivalent over there in Fine Gael/Fianna Fail to the corporate-fascist group the 'Covid Recovery Group'...an abomination that has traction inside the Tory Party, even after 116,000 incidents of social murder.

We've done ok mate relative to our population. We took a very risk adverse approach overall and got the majority of the big calls right. The biggest mistake we made was around the third wave here - as we call it - basically Xmas.

We got the timing right around the second lockdown in Nov, but lifted it far to early and liberally Xmas week had a massive two week jolly over Xmas and cases sky rocketed after to our worst period in the whole pandemic. To be fair it coincided with the advent of the UK variant that got here at that time, 7 times more transmissible and we didn't see it coming. The UK variant is now the dominant variant here and accounts for over 70% of all our cases. So we now have to deal with that, its super Covid really and cases are stubbornly refusing to come down at the same rate as before and we are bouncing between 500-1000 a day.

Politically like i said we are pretty risk adverse and compliant, though the natives like everywhere are getting restless and like most places i think we take a cautious unravelling of deconstructing lock down about late March slowly. Politically here, Sinn Fein will be the next government, the two dominant parties historically are in coalition for the first time ever to keep Sinn Fein out - but i think in doing that they have signed their own death warrant, so i expect a Sinn Fein government in the next cycle. To be honest Sinn Fein arent breaking rank to much, we have the unusual position here that they are in government in the North, so if things haven't been going well there - which they haven't then they cant be too critical of what going on in the Republic.

We have a few right wing crazys, challenging civil liberties in the high court and refusing to wear mask protests etc., but generally they are just comical.

We will be alright, im happy with our roll out to be honest - everyone wants it yesterday but for me we have made the right fundamental calls and will be grand come the summer.

On the UK, there are brilliant underappreciated minds in the NHS, i put the success of the rollout down to them, its why i said im delighted they have had the opportunity to roll out on it and they are hugely competent despite challenges. Im delighted for the UK that it is the NHS leading this as id have concerns about the scientists in the UK - the lads who first brought us herd immunity when this kicked off and a big risk that may or may not pay off with the one dose strategy & the government, they haven't dealt with this at all well top to bottom. The vaccine piece might pay off, but i was reading yesterday that the UK waived all liability of any negative impact of the vaccines in order to get early doses - again that might be grand, but if i had a bad impact to a vaccine id want some recourse, the EU have it.

But i also understand the UK's position they've been hit the hardest by this virus in Europe and had an awful time with cases and deaths, if you were to pick one country in Europe who you would want to prioritize for the the vaccine and get it rolled out quickly its the UK, thanksfully and mercifully that seems to be the case, so that's a great news story and good for us all in western Europe. I just hope the NHS arent forgotten in all of this when or if it gets more normal.
 
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