Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Doubts in the media is all this 'loss of potency' is based on, no scientist has advised it's a bad idea to my knowledge. If I'm wrong then send the link, and I'll hold my hands up. This is about saving lives. The country is essentially on fire with Covid. And getting more vaccinated at 70% is better than less at 90%. It's for the great of good, and over the next three months will save many lives.
The risk of death in the over 70s is far in excess of any other younger groups. It's not a ulilitarian issue. This virus does not strike at its victims in a uniform way. We have to target the old and vulnerable for full vaccination first before moving on.

Scientists have called for testing to prove that there would be no degrading of the Pfizer vaccine over 12 weeks: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n162
 
The risk of death in the over 70s is far in excess of any other younger groups. It's not a ulilitarian issue. This virus does not strike at its victims in a uniform way. We have to target the old and vulnerable for full vaccination first before moving on.

Scientists have called for testing to prove that there would be no degrading of the Pfizer vaccine over 12 weeks: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n162
The risk of death in the 70s is of course higher, but enormous amounts of people in their 40's and 50's are hospitalised fighting covid. These are the teachers, taxi drivers and retail workers of society, should they have to wait till the summer for a dose of vaccine? These people are absolutely more mobile than the older/vulnerable cohort, so are constantly in higher risk of transmission scenarios.
 
I’ve not seen this. Would you mind posting the links to the relevant medical journals etc where this is talked about?

Nobody has seen this....well apart from Macron and the French, but I refer you to the charts for that political explanation.....
 
We've done ok mate relative to our population. We took a very risk adverse approach overall and got the majority of the big calls right. The biggest mistake we made was around the third wave here - as we call it - basically Xmas.

We got the timing right around the second lockdown in Nov, but lifted it far to early and liberally Xmas week had a massive two week jolly over Xmas and cases sky rocketed after to our worst period in the whole pandemic. To be fair it coincided with the advent of the UK variant that got here at that time, 7 times more transmissible and we didn't see it coming. The UK variant is now the dominant variant here and accounts for over 70% of all our cases. So we now have to deal with that, its super Covid really and cases are stubbornly refusing to come down at the same rate as before and we are bouncing between 500-1000 a day.

Politically like i said we are pretty risk adverse and compliant, though the natives like everywhere are getting restless and like most places i think we take a cautious unravelling of deconstructing lock down about late March slowly. Politically here, Sinn Fein will be the next government, the two dominant parties historically are in coalition for the first time ever to keep Sinn Fein out - but i think in doing that they have signed their own death warrant, so i expect a Sinn Fein government in the next cycle. To be honest Sinn Fein arent breaking rank to much, we have the unusual position here that they are in government in the North, so if things haven't been going well there - which they haven't then they cant be too critical of what going on in the Republic.

We have a few right wing crazys, challenging civil liberties in the high court and refusing to wear mask protests etc., but generally they are just comical.

We will be alright, im happy with our roll out to be honest - everyone wants it yesterday but for me we have made the right fundamental calls and will be grand come the summer.

On the UK, there are brilliant underappreciated minds in the NHS, i put the success of the rollout down to them, its why i said im delighted they have had the opportunity to roll out on it and they are hugely competent despite challenges. Im delighted for the UK that it is the NHS leading this as id have concerns about the scientists in the UK - the lads who first brought us herd immunity when this kicked off and a big risk that may or may not pay off with the one dose strategy & the government, they haven't dealt with this at all well top to bottom. The vaccine piece might pay off, but i was reading yesterday that the UK waived all liability of any negative impact of the vaccines in order to get early doses - again that might be grand, but if i had a bad impact to a vaccine id want some recourse, the EU have it.

But i also understand the UK's position they've been hit the hardest by this virus in Europe and had an awful time with cases and deaths, if you pick were to pick one country in Europe who you would want to prioritize for the the vaccine and get it rolled out quickly in the UK, tanksful and mercifully that seems to be the case, so that's a great news story and good for us all in western Europe. I just hope the NHS arent forgotten in all of this when or if it gets more normal.
The basic difference between the two islands is that those governing one of them looked to protect their people; the other took steps to preserve their economy (which is ironic given that the UK economy has taken one of the biggest hits during the Covid19 period); one government cared about people; the other couldn't give a flying one about them. It's reflected in fatality rates:

UK deaths from Covid19 - 1,749 per million

Ireland deaths from Covid19 - 798 per million

Yes, the NHS are doing a great roll out job. But that's a necessary cleaning up of a mess of calamitous proportions.
 
The risk of death in the 70s is of course higher, but enormous amounts of people in their 40's and 50's are hospitalised fighting covid. These are the teachers, taxi drivers and retail workers of society, should they have to wait till the summer for a dose of vaccine? These people are absolutely more mobile than the older/vulnerable cohort, so are constantly in higher risk of transmission scenarios.
They shouldn't be working until ther vaccine has reached them. THAT thiugh is a political decision not to extend fiurloughing to ome worlers and insists that other put themselves in danger to go and teach kids.

You have not made the case for extening down below 70 year old age groups prior to giving the over =70s their full vaccination. They are the key. They need a ring of steel around them. The rest of the populatuiin will be affected in a disproportioante wasy, yes. However, by and large they aren't dying from it...BY AND LARGE.

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The risk of death in the over 70s is far in excess of any other younger groups. It's not a ulilitarian issue. This virus does not strike at its victims in a uniform way. We have to target the old and vulnerable for full vaccination first before moving on.

Scientists have called for testing to prove that there would be no degrading of the Pfizer vaccine over 12 weeks: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n162

If the government had the two dose strategy, you would now be claiming that Boris is trying to murder the 7+ Million who would not have had the first jab yet. It doesn’t matter what the U.K. does, if it does it badly they are murderers, if they do it really really well as they currently are then it’s obviously wrong. Maybe, just maybe, we are doing the right thing very well.......
 
I’ve not seen this. Would you mind posting the links to the relevant medical journals etc where this is talked about?
Data is hard to come by for either stance tbh

Israel, by far the nation that has done the widest rollout, has a preprint out that questioned the protection given by one doae that appears to have been walked back after a different pre-print came out saying their data assumptions were incorrect

 
If the government had the two dose strategy, you would now be claiming that Boris is trying to murder the 7+ Million who would not have had the first jab yet. It doesn’t matter what the U.K. does, if it does it badly they are murderers, if they do it really really well as they currently are then it’s obviously wrong. Maybe, just maybe, we are doing the right thing very well.......

no, he wouldn't pete

in fact noone would be criticising the government for giving medication in the way in which it was meant to be used
 
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