Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[maccavennie]

The rolling 7 day average for cases in Liverpool down to 173.1 per 100,000 population

Hopefully we get that down to under 100 in the next week or so.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I would say the recent evidence suggests there will be a decent level of protection (similar to Flu jab levels) after one jab of Pfizer at 12 weeks.

It would be unusual for the efficacy to increase between week one and week four and then to have a dramatic drop off eight weeks later, from what I understand.

Not certain, but seems more likely than not that the risk (arguably a needless one) may pay off.

I have less issue with the risk being taken (someone probably had to do it and UK with B1117 was a good candidate)
than how it appears to have been taken.

I.e. there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of data collection on tracking the risk (measuring antibody levels, detailed symptom tracking compared to the 3 week gap, hospitalization rates etc) and that everyone involved was aware of the greater risk with informed consent.

 

[davek]

News from Ireland today!!!

'We could do with Boris Johnson': Kerry councillors criticise vaccine rollout | BreakingNews

Ireland could do with UK prime minister Boris Johnson taking over for six months in an effort to speed up the vaccination of people against Covid-19, a statutory monthly meeting of Kerry County Council heard today.The unexpected suggestion from public representatives was made dur

www.breakingnews.ie

Kerry County Council have spoken.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[davek]

I have less issue with the risk being taken (someone probably had to do it and UK with B1117 was a good candidate)
than how it appears to have been taken.

I.e. there doesn’t seem to be a great deal of data collection on tracking the risk (measuring antibody levels, detailed symptom tracking compared to the 3 week gap, hospitalization rates etc) and that everyone involved was aware of the greater risk with informed consent.

There was no scientific basis to that change of schedule, and, far from "paying off" as some people seem to believe, it may still return to haunt the UK.

This was another economy over health decision: the plan of jabs for the very vulnerable groups in the over-70 categories and the very vulnerable should have remained at 3 weeks between jabs. Then and only then we should have reached down into the population to younger groups - at a time also when infections were back under some control.

Instead, the UK government have taken the decision to reach more people with one jab, reaching down to everyone over 50 and, after May, younger groups still. That has to have been a decision made to promote confidence and an early reopening of the economy.

Any major decision made concerning the crisis in the UK is taken with capital's interest uppermost. That one being no exception. We currently have the specatcle of a PM apparently advocating caution against his backbenchers on reopening up too early. But it is, in reality, the good cop / bad cop routine, and it'll play out to an obvious conclusion: restrictions removed way too early and the people of the UK exposed once again to a resurgence of the virus. THAT is why this country has the highest per capita fatality rate in the world.

Leaving the EU has opened another door into the world of corporate fascism...and we are seeing this government taking us through it step by step.

 

[Brennan]

But is it not the case, that 70%+ of the UK population vaccinated would allow life in the UK to return to a much more normal one day to day, than if those vaccines were spread among the global populace ?

I'm not sure it is the responsibility of the government of one nation to ensure that vaccine distribution is equitable across the globe.

 

[Tipp blue]

Kerry County Council have spoken.

I guess Dave nobody thinks their own country has done well in all this.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

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[davek]

I guess Dave nobody thinks their own country has done well in all this.

I hear that Kerry men dont have a particularly good reputation in being astute?

 

[davek]

It really isn't. The first shot has absolutely amazing efficacy alone, and on top of that there was a point last year where we didn't know if a vaccine was even possible! Let's just appreciate what a great job the NHS are doing of getting as many people protected as possible at a rapid rate that's exceeding everyone's expectations.

If we are going to compare it to football, a better analogy would be we are 3-0 up with 10 minutes to go (1st shot provides bulk of protection). We just need to shore it up with a 4th. (second shot).

Let's all have some optimism and faith in Science for the love of God!

There are MAJOR doubts about loss of potency between first to second jabs over such a long period as 3 months.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Open them asap

 

[LinekersLegs]

But is it not the case, that 70%+ of the UK population vaccinated would allow life in the UK to return to a much more normal one day to day, than if those vaccines were spread among the global populace ?

I'm not sure it is the responsibility of the government of one nation to ensure that vaccine distribution is equitable across the globe.

Agree with the first sentence, disagree with the second.

Think it the responsibility of all governments to ensure that there is equitable vaccine distribution and not even out of altruism but to ensure that there is less risk of harmful mutations appearing.

 

[tsubaki]

will watch that later, but on reading that it seems spectacularly misleading - the total lockdown is going to have played a part as well, probably the majority of the part up to now