There was no second wave when pubs and retail was open like you screamed about for months.
The second wave came when schools and universities opened up and the cold weather started to creep in.
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There was no second wave when pubs and retail was open like you screamed about for months.
The second wave came when schools and universities opened up and the cold weather started to creep in.
That's all well and good and I'm chuffed for you. The lockdown in Victoria will work and you'll be out of it by Wednesday.
But that's not the point, it's not 'normality' and you can't possibly suggest that Australia keeping overseas travellers out for (how long?) is a less-temporary fix than the vaccine, which will prevent serious illness against every strain (even the SA variant, with the Pfizer and Moderna ones in most age groups it seems, and the AZ vaccine in younger age groups against that variant).
Here’s some data on first doses and their effect on spread and illness - to me that seems like we won’t be getting out of jail overnight.
EMA expects Johnson & Johnson to file for vaccine approval within days
New BioNTech production site will have capacity to produce 750m doses annually
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I get your point about normality, i really do, but the case for quaranting is a really strong one.
I just dont see how hurrying into largely untested (we have absolutely no idea how long term vaccinations will affect people) vaccine program will work when these mutations take over. I really hope its all good in the end, but you cant deny we have crushed it here with simple steps.
Some good accumalated and concise info on vaccines:
A UK study predicts vaccines will prevent 9 out of 10 fatalities and cut hospital admissions by two thirds by the middle of March.
associationofanaesthetists-publications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com
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EU regulator starts review of CureVac vaccine
The EU is looking for ways to secure more jabs as coronavirus mutations spread across the bloc.
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But it's not a long-term fix. It can't possibly be. The only long-term fix is herd immunity, and the vaccine takes steps towards that.
It's great that...
a) the steps Aus/NZ took worked very well
b) it's your summer - but you'll see a rise, however small, in cases in the winter
c) you have it under such control that there'll be no need to rush into the vaccine programme 'untested' because the rest of the world is piloting it ahead of you. By the time it starts in Aus/NZ (March to May?) there should be plenty of data on just how well it works
but the simple steps Aus/NZ took are temporary, because you can't possibly expect that either country, for years to come, are going to be quarantining people coming into the country or going into snap lockdowns for 10 people getting it
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I said at the time one was coming. Not because one was there, but because it's a pandemic, and that's the road they travel. You didnt have to be a mystic to understand it was coming. The scientists were telling us all it was on its way. Many ignored it because it gave them the excuse to crack on with the 'old normal'.
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They have done so well, clear, decisive, severe but overall have hadn't had the boom and bust experiences we have had in Europe and subsequent impact on restrictins of liberty to the same extent over a prolonged period of time and maximizing their natural advantages.
Australia had 10 cases yesterday, what a base to be coming out of while rolling out a vaccine programme themselves.
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Two things:
1/ was the data for the over-60s off one jab?
2/ is the data regarding 60 and under without vaccines (making the comparison)?
Anyone with a brain knew it. Here's me in April.
Every pandemic has plotted the same general path with 2-3 waves.
21 days after first jab, and yes under 60s weren't vaccinated by comparison.
So even though a lot of the population haven't had the three week period from the first dose yet, the fall off is still huge.
Vaccines are making a huge difference.
People know they’d be a second wave in the winter, but a lot of us realise this is something that is never going to disappear so we can either try and live with it, or be in a perpetual state of lockdown.
When cases were dropping and the weather was warm it was right to open things up and despite what you say, it was under relative control.
Then the winter comes and so does the second and even third wave. Nobody was surprised by this.
We’re rightly back in a lockdown now but once the vulnerable are vaccinated and the warm weather comes we will slowly re-open society and will be able to deal with this virus a whole lot better than we have over the last year.
You’re strategy of staying in lockdown until this thing completely disappears is unrealistic. Learn to live with it as best as we can is what will happen in the coming year with restrictions still in place, but life as we know will slowly start to open up.
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