Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

How about in a scenario were people dont leave their homes?

It's too late though Goat. They already said earlier this week that their calculations were off.

I'm not saying people - especially if you live in a densely populated area - should be taking chances but the gov didn't do enough tests in the weeks previous and now we're seeing the consequences of that.

Hopefully, the measures like staying at home means they can stretch it out into two months but even so...

Also, being locked inside for up to a month really isn't going to help anybody recover, is it. In fact it's likely to make them more ill. Mentally and physically. There's gonna come a point when those people who have had have to leave for their own wellbeing. Even if they've done 14 days, is it definitely going to be enough to mean they still can't infect people?

Obviously if you have symptoms you should stay at home and not risk infecting people. But the cases of reinfection that have been reported seem to have come when it's people who have been locked inside with others who they've initially infected and their bodies simply haven't been able to recover.

 

[Rook]

I think London has been worse hit than most other areas mate

Our Trust has written to all the recently retired nurses today asking if they would come back. My wife works in the community and as they are only doing urgent visits, they are staffing the wards with them. No leave cancelled yet as they've said we need to look at peoples mental health.

All trainee doctors won't be rotating in April and more than likely they'll all be pulled back in to A+E's

Brother is a research assistant at a NHS London hospital. Leave was cancelled. His dept is being hastily trained as "caregivers". What this entails IDK.

 

[Joey66]

LOL.

“ Standby “ being the keyword there.

I'd have thought the word "Action" was a keyword for your involvement

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's too late though Goat. They already said earlier this week that their calculations were off.

I'm not saying people - especially if you live in a densely populated area - should be taking chances but the gov didn't do enough tests in the weeks previous and now we're seeing the consequences of that.

Hopefully, the measures like staying at home means they can stretch it out into two months but even so...

Also, being locked inside for up to a month really isn't going to help anybody recover, is it. In fact it's likely to make them more ill. Mentally and physically. There's gonna come a point when those people who have had have to leave for their own wellbeing. Even if they've done 14 days, is it definitely going to be enough to mean they still can't infect people?

Was reading one paper that indicated that viral loads were much higher in the early stages of the virus - the couple of days before symptoms appeared and then the first couple with symptoms and that it then tailed off (at least for the milder cases). Will try and find it.

But if that is true then lockdown before even symptoms show could be pretty effective.

edit was from this German study

People 'shed' high levels of coronavirus, study finds, but most are likely not infectious after recovery begins

People "shed" high levels of coronavirus early on after being infected, a new study finds, but most are likely not infectious after their recovery begins.

www.statnews.com

 

[Joey66]

We went to the supermarket earlier. It was just our weekly food shop so didn't even look at the toiletries section. The following were cleaned out, and I mean totally bare.

Fresh meat. Not a chicken leg, packet of mince or a £6.35 pork fillet

Root vegetables. Not a carrot, potato or onion in sight.

Tinned veg. Except for a few tins of sweet corn and beans and sausage. Oh, I got the last small tin of garden peas.

Pasta. Of every variety, together with most of the jars of pasta sauce. The rice section had taken a heavy battering too.

Fresh Eggs. Every size and colour.

Sliced bread. Every brand and size. Although there was plenty of the fresh baked stuff from the bakery which presumably was cooked acfter the hoards had been.

The freezers were mostly empty too. No chips or frozen meals. And the milk we normally buy with a longer shelf life had been wiped out too.

It was a bit like going shopping at 9pm on Christmas eve.

It's disgusting not a chickpea in sight.......

 

[Joey66]

The UK will announce on Friday they are drafting the Armed Forces in to assist with gaps in public services *taps nose*

Your supposed to avoid face touching......

 

[BlueToff]

Was reading one paper that indicated that viral loads were much higher in the early stages of the virus - the couple of days before symptoms appeared and then the first couple with symptoms and that it then tailed off (at least for the milder cases). Will try and find it.

But if that is true then lockdown before even symptoms show could be pretty effective.

Maybe the case. In fact it makes sense – a sharp uptick and then levelling off.

I know you put some data up earlier from Italy suggesting the lockdown is showing some signs of working, but again we won't know for sure until a few days from now.

There's other things to take into account too. Like the space/environment you have around you.

Like where I live is pretty much on the edge of a suburb of a smallish city so there's a lot of open space around me. I can go on a run or a walk and avoid all contact with people depending what route I take, and that's on a normal day, never mind now when there's less people about. Obviously at this stage I'm avoiding anywhere that could be crowded as much as possible. I went to the gym earlier (imagine it'll be shutting soon) and was one of three people in the place (it's a hotel gym, and I was the only one using the gym itself, the others were in the pool).

I'm just a big outdoors person really – I hate being cooped up and can't do it for long periods. If I show any symptoms or if a family member does then I'll have to lump it, obviously. But being able to get out and about for me - even on a run or a walk as @COYBL25 mentioned earlier - is a big thing for me in staying healthy, as it is for a lot of people.

Given I'm a five-minute drive away from being able to walk in mostly empty, open parks or woods or whatever, it's not like I live in a crowded urban area and even on a normal occasion there'd be no need to be in anyone's personal space (unless of course you were walking/running with them).

 

[Zezti]

Of course we take precautions like we should with Covid19 but there are still many deaths and illnesses yet the country doesn't shut down, again going back to my point that it seems to me we're taking a very extreme response to this. A response which seems to be creating it's own chaos and could end in misery (if this drags on long enough)for lots of people who might be otherwise unefected.

You seem to think we can take the same precautions with covid-19 as we can with seasonal flu -- other than washing our hands, we cannot.

You quoted a figure earlier that 17,000 die from seasonal flu annually. That is 17,000 with vaccines available for a less lethal strain. Covid-19 does not have a vaccine. To get the number of deaths of covid-19 down close to the number for flu, the only precautions we have are minimising/delaying the exposure to the vulnerable through what you call an extreme response.

 

[PITA]

Another good video from Vox

Good video but what I don't get is - I spend 20 or more seconds washing my hands at home. Then I decide to make a cup of tea. I put the kettle on but the tap and the kettle handle might be infected. I open a cupboard to get a cup out. The cupboard handle might be infected. I open another cupboard to get a tea bag. The cupboard handle might be infected. I get the milk out the fridge. The fridge handle and the milk carton might be infected.
How many times do I wash my hands in that scenario? I am genuinely confused by all of this.

 

[BlueToff]

Was reading one paper that indicated that viral loads were much higher in the early stages of the virus - the couple of days before symptoms appeared and then the first couple with symptoms and that it then tailed off (at least for the milder cases). Will try and find it.

But if that is true then lockdown before even symptoms show could be pretty effective.

edit was from this German study

People 'shed' high levels of coronavirus, study finds, but most are likely not infectious after recovery begins

People "shed" high levels of coronavirus early on after being infected, a new study finds, but most are likely not infectious after their recovery begins.

www.statnews.com

Cheers Legs. Will give it a read in the morning!

 

[PITA]

And to a certain extent she is one of the lucky ones who got it early enough to get an ICU bed. I've got COPD and I'm worried. My wife works for the NHS and can't work from home, my youngest daughter is still at school and my oldest daughter is back from Uni next week. All three of them know that they could cause me to get the virus. If I do then I don't fancy my chances. @bignev23 you are a fool.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Maybe the case. In fact it makes sense – a sharp uptick and then levelling off.

I know you put some data up earlier from Italy suggesting the lockdown is showing some signs of working, but again we won't know for sure until a few days from now.

There's other things to take into account too. Like the space/environment you have around you.

Like where I live is pretty much on the edge of a suburb of a smallish city so there's a lot of open space around me. I can go on a run or a walk and avoid all contact with people depending what route I take, and that's on a normal day, never mind now when there's less people about. Obviously at this stage I'm avoiding anywhere that could be crowded as much as possible. I went to the gym earlier (imagine it'll be shutting soon) and was one of three people in the place (it's a hotel gym, and I was the only one using the gym itself, the others were in the pool).

I'm just a big outdoors person really – I hate being cooped up and can't do it for long periods. If I show any symptoms or if a family member does then I'll have to lump it, obviously. But being able to get out and about for me - even on a run or a walk as @COYBL25 mentioned earlier - is a big thing for me in staying healthy, as it is for a lot of people.

Given I'm a five-minute drive away from being able to walk in mostly empty, open parks or woods or whatever, it's not like I live in a crowded urban area and even on a normal occasion there'd be no need to be in anyone's personal space (unless of course you were walking/running with them).

Yeah, we’ll start to get more data as to the lockdown success in the next few days. My worry about the way continental Europe, and here in the Bay Area for that matter, are doing home quarantine is that household transmission is probably going to be high as very difficult to isolate one family member if they come down with it unless you have the luxury of a separate bedroom & bathroom that they alone can use. Ideally you’d isolate whoever tested positive but a) we haven’t the testing capacity atm b) don’t think most people in a democracy would stand being sent off to a converted school gym with strangers to be ill together.

We are fortunate to live in a suburban area near a large park - have seen far more people out walking/running/cycling than usual since the “shelter at home” instructions (which had a carve out for exercise) but so far not enough that the “keep 6 feet away” is too much of an issue. Being in a densely built up area would be much more challenging mentally.

 

[Toast]

Coronavirus: Gary Neville opens hotels to NHS staff to help with crisis

Former Manchester United defender Gary Neville is to open his hotels free of charge to health workers to help with the coronavirus crisis.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Your supposed to avoid face touching......

Haha. I enjoyed your humorous comment.

 

[Buckers]

The UK will announce on Friday they are drafting the Armed Forces in to assist with gaps in public services *taps nose*

Yeah had the same tip off from a mate. Solid sauce.