Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

Whats the chances of all this nonsense affecting our vaccine programme?

If the EU start playing silly buggers what can we do?

@Tubey

If they withhold approval for the Pfizer vaccine, we don't get it. And probably some AZ vaccine from EU factories. But our bulk is AZ done domestically and Novavax, also domestic. So perhaps a minor issue in the next 1-2 weeks but not after that. Moderna comes on board April too.

As AZ have said, the UK contract is largely unaffected. I can't fault the vaccine acquisition and rollout so far, it's been tremendous, and there's nothing foreseeable that will stop us charging ahead.

The EU would be wise to stop being clowns to be frank, because we will probably have a hefty vaccine excess that we can assist them with if they stop throwing up political barriers to it happening. It's a hard sell for Johnson to tell the British public we're sending vaccines abroad if the people receiving them have accused us of essentially being vaccine thieves with no evidence of it.

 

[Tubey]

Just realised this is the EU version of #StopTheSteal.

I'm fully expecting the birth of EUAnon on 8chan later.

 

[BlueToff]

Its kind of a big edit to make there, though - it completely changes the context of the quote.

As for the "best effort" issue, yes it will be a topic of debate but I really think in the full text it will be very hard for AZ to say that they've made their best effort there - I mean, to take the UK as an example they are not (at least as far as I can see) reliant on one plant.

They aren't reliant on one plant in the EU.

They have plants in Belgium and Holland for the 'drug substance' (their words not mine). This is where the yield issues are coming from (their Belgian plant).

They have 'drug product' plants in Germany and Italy - they are working fine.

They have explained that the two plants they have in the UK had similar issues, but the 3 months additional time they had means they have now sorted those glitches. Same in the US, which is now fixed they think.

 

[wainy]

Whats the chances of all this nonsense affecting our vaccine programme?

If the EU start playing silly buggers what can we do?

@Tubey

they haven’t got a leg to stand on. Tell them to eat [Poor language removed]

 

[tsubaki]

They aren't reliant on one plant in the EU.

They have plants in Belgium and Holland for the 'drug substance' (their words not mine). This is where the yield issues are coming from (their Belgian plant).

They have 'drug product' plants in Germany and Italy - they are working fine.

They have explained that the two plants they have in the UK had similar issues, but the 3 months additional time they had means they have now sorted those glitches. Same in the US, which is now fixed they think.

They are though, if you believe the CEO. As you say, they've specifically blamed that one plant for all these issues.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Johnson urgently phones EU and they revise their decision, the plot really does thicken...

EU vaccine export row: Bloc backtracks on controls for NI

It follows anger over a decision to invoke an emergency provision in the Brexit deal in order to control vaccine exports.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[urquattro]

My dad was sent a message to log online to book his first vaccine shot yesterday.

Living in Southport his location options were, Lancaster!! Stoke!?!... And thankfully Ainsdale.

He chose the day and time and was then asked to book a slot for the second jab in 12 weeks time..

No slots available. Unable to book a second slot the booking was unable to complete and he couldn't book the first jab!!

He just turned the computer off. Bloody ridiculous.

My mates dad had this issue so called his GP and they booked him in to have it there.

 

[Neiler]

If they withhold approval for the Pfizer vaccine, we don't get it. And probably some AZ vaccine from EU factories. But our bulk is AZ done domestically and Novavax, also domestic. So perhaps a minor issue in the next 1-2 weeks but not after that. Moderna comes on board April too.

As AZ have said, the UK contract is largely unaffected. I can't fault the vaccine acquisition and rollout so far, it's been tremendous, and there's nothing foreseeable that will stop us charging ahead.

The EU would be wise to stop being clowns to be frank, because we will probably have a hefty vaccine excess that we can assist them with if they stop throwing up political barriers to it happening. It's a hard sell for Johnson to tell the British public we're sending vaccines abroad if the people receiving them have accused us of essentially being vaccine thieves with no evidence of it.

The AZ vaccine made in the UK is exported to the EU for filling, then re-exported from EU to the UK. It won’t get to the whole spirit of Dunkirk stuff.

In a way it’s hard and easy to know what happens next, the AZ market has gotten a whole lot bigger today then it was yesterday, that might take a while to settle, might see some increased sabre rattling and the like.

It won’t get to the point, were licences for vaccines and the like will be denied, that’s just extreme. A few bumps in the road, a bit of sabre rattling then the odd kick and it will settle down.

To be honest I think the narrative on here has got a bit mad, with the us and them thing. The UK aren’t doing that great and Europe aren’t doing that bad. The truth of both has been exaggerated on here.

Everyone will be ok, I’ll put it like this last week Pfizer said it was having problems with its European supply chain, 10 days later (coincidently) a massive pharmaceutical company in France turns itself over the Pfizer to make 100s of millions of doses for the EU supply chain. Work it out lads, the real story here will be behind the story and everyone will be grand.

 

[Tubey]

The AZ vaccine made in the UK is exported to the EU for filling, then exported from EU to the UK.

Wockhardt do it in Wrexham.

A second vaccine, from Oxford University and AstraZeneca, is being made in Britain, by two biotech companies:

• Oxford BioMedica, based in Oxford
• Cobra Biologics, based at Keele Science Park, Staffs

Another company, Wockhardt, based in Wrexham, fills the vials and packages them for use.

Covid vaccine: How many people are vaccinated in the UK?

A look at progress made in vaccinating the country, as more than 52 million people have received at least one dose and 38 million have had a booster or third dose.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[urquattro]

Mostly one jab.

We all hope that it has the effect of keeping people out of hospitals, of course. But it's not how the roll out was supposed to happen. And questions still abound about the efficacy of AZ for older people.

Make your mind up, its either go with the UK risk of one jab v the no jab by the EU because they are were still deliberating. You can't keep bashing the UK for the amount of deaths then at the same time condemn them for going for the vaccination to stop the deaths.

 

[Neiler]

Wockhardt do it in Wrexham.

Covid vaccine: How many people are vaccinated in the UK?

A look at progress made in vaccinating the country, as more than 52 million people have received at least one dose and 38 million have had a booster or third dose.

www.bbc.co.uk

It’s manufactured there then exported to Germany for filling, then reexported back to the UK.

 

[Tubey]

It’s manufactured there then exported to Germany for filling, the reexported back to the UK.

No it isn't.

 

[Deckard2049]

"I demand to know your acceptable level of deaths". lol

Well here's the fundamental difference on this issue between you and me:

I would happily curtail any previous liberties I had that could preserve the lives of others and try and adapt to a different way of living in terms of movement, assembly and consumption.

You would give up your ability to go out have a pint and a pie and get your back sack and crack waxed for a few months this spring before demanding swathes of people are placed in danger again.

You constantly make assumptions about me. I don’t even drink. But what I am is honest, so yeah, you’re a better man than me. All I’m continually asking you is why after a mass vaccination programme stringent restrictions and infringement on people’s freedom would be required. And you can’t even answer. Just say you want 0 Covid. By any means necessary.

Caution of course will be required, hold off on a free for all to make sure transmission is reduced and hospitalisations are at very low levels, with deaths hopefully the same. Only an idiot would advocate letting everything go back to normal before we know for certain the vaccines are protecting people to a great enough degree.

And again with the back sack and crack parlours. It’s an absolute fetishistic obsession at this point. You’re such a boomer on this subject. Seriously have you not heard of manscaped? The days of waxing your private parts are long gone.

This is why there’s no point debating this with you. You talk about adapting to a new way of life like it’s your great noble mission. It’s like Covid gave you some purpose and some meaning that was absent. You assume I’m a pie eating alcoholic so I’ll make some assumptions about you. I’m going to hazard a guess and say you’re at least, AT LEAST, 20 years older than me. I’m not going to jump to conclusions, but I imagine your life is pretty set and I imagine your comfortable enough financially. I’m not saying your Richard Branson but I’m guessing you’re set up enough to do better than most people in their mid 20’s who are looking to carve their way and actually make something of their life. It’s pretty easy to “adapt” from the comfort of your own home with money in the bank. I guess my generation will just have to cop for it right?

This holier than thou, messiah complex is tiresome now. Believe it or not I follow the rules as stringently as anyone. I just don’t pretend to enjoy it or want it to continue beyond the point it has to. A point which you seem to want to extend for a long, long period of time.

 

[Neiler]

No it isn't.

Mea culpa, initially it was being filled in Germany (last time I looked) but now it’s being done in Wales, apologies I didn’t know the plant in Wales had opened and been doing it since the end of the year.

 

[Toast]

You constantly make assumptions about me. I don’t even drink. But what I am is honest, so yeah, you’re a better man than me. All I’m continually asking you is why after a mass vaccination programme stringent restrictions and infringement on people’s freedom would be required. And you can’t even answer. Just say you want 0 Covid. By any means necessary.

Caution of course will be required, hold off on a free for all to make sure transmission is reduced and hospitalisations are at very low levels, with deaths hopefully the same. Only an idiot would advocate letting everything go back to normal before we know for certain the vaccines are protecting people to a great enough degree.

And again with the back sack and crack parlours. It’s an absolute fetishistic obsession at this point. You’re such a boomer on this subject. Seriously have you not heard of manscaped? The days of waxing your private parts are long gone.

This is why there’s no point debating this with you. You talk about adapting to a new way of life like it’s your great noble mission. It’s like Covid gave you some purpose and some meaning that was absent. You assume I’m a pie eating alcoholic so I’ll make some assumptions about you. I’m going to hazard a guess and say you’re at least, AT LEAST, 20 years older than me. I’m not going to jump to conclusions, but I imagine your life is pretty set and I imagine your comfortable enough financially. I’m not saying your Richard Branson but I’m guessing you’re set up enough to do better than most people in their mid 20’s who are looking to carve their way and actually make something of their life. It’s pretty easy to “adapt” from the comfort of your own home with money in the bank. I guess my generation will just have to cop for it right?

This holier than thou, messiah complex is tiresome now. Believe it or not I follow the rules as stringently as anyone. I just don’t pretend to enjoy it or want it to continue beyond the point it has to. A point which you seem to want to extend for a long, long period of time.

Googling ‘Manscaped’