Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Mea culpa, initially it was being filled in Germany (last time I looked) but now it’s being done in Wales, apologies I didn’t know the plant in Wales had opened and been doing it since the end of the year.

it was, and they were still doing that fairly recently according to reports. it’s also that which is a big part of why they are wound up so much - the idea that the EU and UK production lines are separate (which AZ maintain is true)is nonsense
 
it was, and they were still doing that fairly recently according to reports. it’s also that which is a big part of why they are wound up so much - the idea that the EU and UK production lines are separate (which AZ maintain is true)is nonsense

I’d suspect so, there is always overlap in a supply chain, even if it’s just imports and exports of chemicals and materials from one jurisdiction to another as the EU and Britain now are, but there is the plant in Wrexham now and imagine the bulk is done the fillings Tubey correctly said, so the actual vaccine doesn’t have to cross the border anymore. I think it will be clear soon enough, with what the EU are planning from a customs point of view.

All in all, it’s a good thing this is happening.

Like Pfizer the best thing that can happen here, is the EU work with AZ to support the supply chain like they did with Pifzer last week, that was sorted at break neck. Reading between the lines though, I think the EU want to give a few kicks before they resolve this, because it’s likely they have been stitched up to some degree, even if it was ethical to do so, that’s just my read.

If they have diverted doses to the UK, I don’t really blame AZ either, it is a pandemic, people are dying, the EU only granted authorisation today, I’d have no problem with AZ prioritising the British market who authorised it almost a month ago and hope it protected and saved many lives, it couldn’t be sold in Europe. The UK need it, the have had a horrible time and people are dying and the vaccine is to important to be left on the shelf in that context.

A lot of what we are seeing is kicks being thrown to establish position in the new Brexit world order, warning to other vaccine producers, but will eventually settle down after a week of tensions and the EU will pull what they did with Pfizer and magically fix and increase the supply chain, we will all be good.
 
They are though, if you believe the CEO. As you say, they've specifically blamed that one plant for all these issues.

They have four plants in total, two doing one thing, two doing another.

One of the plants isn't working as efficiently as it should. They hope to change that as quickly as possible.

That isn't the same as 'relying on one plant'.
 
I’d suspect so, there is always overlap in a supply chain, even if it’s just imports and exports of chemicals and materials from one jurisdiction to another as the EU and Britain now are, but there is the plant in Wrexham now and imagine the bulk is done the fillings Tubey correctly said, so the actual vaccine doesn’t have to cross the border anymore. I think it will be clear soon enough, with what the EU are planning from a customs point of view.

All in all, it’s a good thing this is happening.

Like Pfizer the best thing that can happen here, is the EU work with AZ to support the supply chain like they did with Pifzer last week, that was sorted at break neck. Reading between the lines though, I think the EU want to give a few kicks before they resolve this, because it’s likely they have been stitched up to some degree, even if it was ethical to do so, that’s just my read.

If they have diverted doses to the UK, I don’t really blame AZ either, it is a pandemic, people are dying, the EU only granted authorisation today, I’d have no problem with AZ prioritising the British market who authorised it almost a month ago and hope it protected and saved many lives, it couldn’t be sold in Europe. The UK need it, the have had a horrible time and people are dying and the vaccine is to important to be left on the shelf in that context.

A lot of what we are seeing is kicks being thrown to establish position in the new Brexit world order, warning to other vaccine producers, but will eventually settle down after a week of tensions and the EU will pull what they did with Pfizer and magically fix and increase the supply chain, we will all be good.

Think you've hit the nail on the head.

But I think the EU Commission's holier than thou attitude, and the way it's being justified by some posters, isn't on. To clarify, this isn't UK v EU because it's nothing to do with the UK government. I just don't get the defence of some of their actions. Rightly annoyed, with AZ - who IMO should not have agreed to something they may not have been able to fulfil even on 'best effort' - but that shouldn't equate to blockades.

They've shown their true colours. And whoever agreed to sign that contract left themselves open to something like that happening. Again, how do you agree a deal with such importance as this based on semantics and interpretation? Mental.
 
They have four plants in total, two doing one thing, two doing another.

One of the plants isn't working as efficiently as it should. They hope to change that as quickly as possible.

That isn't the same as 'relying on one plant'.
As I’ve said before, if you want to sort your car out and make it go faster, you have to take it off the road for a bit and modify it.

I would imagine that’s what’s happened with some of the processes at the factories and once sorted they will be kicking out vaccines at a far higher rate soon enough.
 
Shoe on the other foot.

If UK had signed a deal with AZ which had so much complete waffle in it (as in, when it comes to the key, crucial promises) and left the UK at risk of something such as this happening, who would posters in here, by and large, blame?

AZ, or the UK government for agreeing such a deal?

That's my general point. But I wholly agree AZ should not have made promises or suggested they could hit targets on a 'best effort' basis, either.
 
As I’ve said before, if you want to sort your car out and make it go faster, you have to take it off the road for a bit and modify it.

I would imagine that’s what’s happened with some of the processes at the factories and once sorted they will be kicking out vaccines at a far higher rate soon enough.

That's a good analogy and I think what the CEO said will happen. It's what's happened in the UK, they've just had three months extra to do it.

I'm not saying he's been 100% truthful on everything. He's CEO of a big pharma company, he's probably a right sleazeball, but it is factual they've had much more time (relatively speaking in this rapid process of possibly decades reduced to 10 months) to sort issues out in the UK than they have in the EU.

The argument is that, upon signing that deal with the EU in August, AZ could have foreseen or counted for possible lag, but it seems the agreement was all done on everything working perfectly and the EU wanted the product at the same time as the UK got it (which is fair enough, but then why waste so much extra time renegotiating).

Clearly massive faults on both sides for me, but the EU Commission surely should have realised the risks? Y'know, given it was operating for 27 countries.
 
Think you've hit the nail on the head.

But I think the EU Commission's holier than thou attitude, and the way it's being justified by some posters, isn't on. To clarify, this isn't UK v EU because it's nothing to do with the UK government. I just don't get the defence of some of their actions. Rightly annoyed, with AZ - who IMO should not have agreed to something they may not have been able to fulfil even on 'best effort' - but that shouldn't equate to blockades.

They've shown their true colours. And whoever agreed to sign that contract left themselves open to something like that happening. Again, how do you agree a deal with such importance as this based on semantics and interpretation? Mental.

The truth is everyone is probably a bit culpable,
mate, the EU contract was shockingly vague, really poor. AZ probably prioritised the provision of supply to the UK through the UK and EU supply chain, so what - it was only authorised by Europe today, it would be really unethical and inhuman for the EU and AZ to leave vaccine stockpiled waiting for autirization when it could be used on British people were it could be. The UK Government probably had an idea, but their job is to get the best for their people.

So here we are, about another week of sabre rattling and probably a few political hay makers and it will settle down and get sorted. We will all be fine.

Everyone all a bit culpable here, in my reading between the lines, but probably for the right reasons for each.
 
The truth is everyone is probably a bit culpable, the EU contract was shockingly vague, teally poor. AZ probably prioritised the provision of supply to the UK through the UK and EU supply chain, so what - it was only authorised by Europe today, it would be really unethical and inhuman for the EU and AZ to leave vaccine stockpiled waiting for autirization when it could be used on British people were it could be, the UK Government probably had an idea, but their job is to get the best for their people.

So here are, about another week of sabre rattling, political threats and it will settle down and get sorted.

Everyone all a bit culpable here, in my reading between the lines, but probably for the right reasons for each,

Yeah I agree fully. I don't think the EUC is evil or twisted. I just think their way of doing things at times shows up everything that, IMO, is wrong with it. And I think their vaccine procurement and roll out has been a frustrating example at the worst possible time, and then Macron and that daft German government source getting involved kind of hints at something political which, for once, the UK's Banana Republic haven't actually sparked or caused.

But, as you say, hopefully in a few weeks' time this'll all be by the by and the vaccines are out with the promise of more to come.
 
If the UK government were acting the way the EU were, they'd be getting slated in here by people.

So come on, you can't have your cake and eat it.

Their disagreement is between them and AZ. They should in no way be getting the UK involved.

with respect, if the Government was doing this after being treated by AZ like this then most people would be in agreement that AZ were at fault. Some people would be “I told you so”-ing, but the drug company would be the one being blamed.
 
Shoe on the other foot.

If UK had signed a deal with AZ which had so much complete waffle in it (as in, when it comes to the key, crucial promises) and left the UK at risk of something such as this happening, who would posters in here, by and large, blame?

AZ, or the UK government for agreeing such a deal?

That's my general point. But I wholly agree AZ should not have made promises or suggested they could hit targets on a 'best effort' basis, either.
I think we know the answer to that lol
 
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