Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[wainy]

AZ produce vaccine in Europe, pete.

Az is produced in Wrexham

 

[peteblue]

Well, AZ is tested and proved to be more efficient at 12 weeks.

Pfizer - I agree, it would have been sensible to keep to their advice or, alternatively, go with six weeks as a halfway house, like Denmark are doing.

But, still, the aim is to get more people with more protection. As the likes of @Tubey and @MikelsGoat have previously said - posters who have been fairly or fully critical and rightly so of the government - the logic makes perfect sense. And so far, there hasn't actually been any cases of it not working. We're going to have to hope that stays the same.

But since the majority of our population will be getting AZ, then giving them dosage over three months is absolutely fine as that's actually been proven to work.

Indeed. We are going with AZ and Oxford. It works, it’s cheap, and it can be stored in a fridge. This will save the world...

 

[tsubaki]

Well, AZ is tested and proved to be more efficient at 12 weeks.

Pfizer - I agree, it would have been sensible to keep to their advice or, alternatively, go with six weeks as a halfway house, like Denmark are doing.

But, still, the aim is to get more people with more protection. As the likes of @Tubey and @MikelsGoat have previously said - posters who have been fairly or fully critical and rightly so of the government - the logic makes perfect sense. And so far, there hasn't actually been any cases of it not working. We're going to have to hope that stays the same.

But since the majority of our population will be getting AZ, then giving them dosage over three months is absolutely fine as that's actually been proven to work.

It doesn't make "perfect sense", at all - for AZ it might (although even then we really need to see what was actually learned), but Pfizer have been really explicit that they do not know if their vaccination will still work with the delay.

Doing it against their advice raises a load of ethical and legal issues that cannot be brushed away, especially when the people who got that dose are the most high risk people.

 

[wainy]

They're not failing. They're part of a bloc of countries who have procurred vaccines to roll out in the timely manner and fashion they were designed to be rolled out in. The UK approach is like the story of the Hare and the Tortoise. Make no mistake, the EU will get this vaccine right and the fools in charge of this country will bollocks up our vaccine roll out. Nothing surer than that. Just look at how many their decisions have killed already.

That’s why the EU are flapping about and we have 4 vaccines ready to go

 

[tsubaki]

Az is produced in Wrexham

... and Holland, and Germany, and Belgium, and Keele, and Oxford

 

[Tubey]

they kind of have pete:

No data to support delay of second Covid vaccine dose, say Pfizer and BioNTech

UK vaccine strategy continuing to spark fierce scientific debate

www.independent.co.uk

for companies to issue a joint statement like that is really unusual

It's a statement of fact like - they haven't got data for that dosing.

However, it's a reasonable risk given circumstances. But yeah still a risk regardless.

Personally I think/guess it'll perhaps see initial efficacy nosedive around 20% around 8-12 weeks on but the booster would be unaffected and act as usual, and the immunogenicity will be fine. Scientific concensus is vast majority of protection from first dose; the debate is just how long it holds up.

 

[wainy]

... and Holland, and Germany, and Belgium, and Keele, and Oxford

What’s your point? The fact is they want to take the UK manufactured share of the AZ stock when they have no chance.

 

[davek]

12% of the country, mostly of the older bracket have had 1 if not both jabs already and we’re only at the end of January

Mostly one jab.

We all hope that it has the effect of keeping people out of hospitals, of course. But it's not how the roll out was supposed to happen. And questions still abound about the efficacy of AZ for older people.

 

[davek]

That’s why the EU are flapping about and we have 4 vaccines ready to go

I'm not interested in trade wars and us v them.

In a global pandemic: they are we and we are them. It's false economy to be stockpiling and hoarding. Combating a virus doesn't work that way.

 

[tsubaki]

What’s your point? The fact is they want to take the UK manufactured share of the AZ stock when they have no chance.

the point is that they believe (a) that EU produced AZ vaccine was shipped to the UK and that (b) AZ are contractually obliged to deliver them vaccines on a certain schedule, but AZ are instead supplying other people

they are probably right on both counts

 

[wainy]

I'm not interested in trade wars and us v them.

In a global pandemic: they are we and we are them. It's false economy to be stockpiling and hoarding. Combatting a virus doesn't work that way.

so what you moaning for then? The uk appears to be fine in terms of vaccine stock.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We'd have more people who've had their second jabs, pete (ie: been actually vaccinated)- the number of people with their first jab would be lower (probably 4-5 million) but the actually vaccinated people (with two doses and confirmed protection) would probably be 2-3 million.

That would still more than anyone else in Europe, and we wouldn't run the risk of having to do it again (pfizer have repeatedly said that they do not know if delaying the second jab to up to 12 weeks will work).

Runs the very real risk of developing variants of this Virus that are vaccine resistant... It's rudimentary virology. Which won't really cut through the political ideology.

 

[wainy]

the point is that they believe (a) that EU produced AZ vaccine was shipped to the UK and that (b) AZ are contractually obliged to deliver them vaccines on a certain schedule, but AZ are instead supplying other people

they are probably right on both counts

On point A, maybe, they’d need to prove that. On point B, they can only make what they can make. AZ have nothing to gain from this.

 

[davek]

so what you moaning for then? The uk appears to be fine in terms of vaccine stock.

I dont understand what you're saying.

 

[McBain]

Can you all test that vaccine for us please? Give it a few months and we’ll think about administering it here, barring no horrific side-effects.