Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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My mother in law has had both doses ( York ) and my mum and dad ( Liverpool ) have a date for their second dose, so it is happening. ( as much as Dave says it`s not )

Yeah, I mentioned that in here yesterday. Ma-in-law had both doses, 3 weeks apart. My dad has had first, with appointment booked for 21 days later.

Will be interesting to see bigger dataset later down the line, but anecdotally there’s a lot of GPs sticking to 3 weeks.
 
Yeah, I mentioned that in here yesterday. Ma-in-law had both doses, 3 weeks apart. My dad has had first, with appointment booked for 21 days later.

Will be interesting to see bigger dataset later down the line, but anecdotally there’s a lot of GPs sticking to 3 weeks.

there should be, given that’s how the Pfizer dose was approved - did the Government ever give doctors any legal cover for using it in the way they suggested?
 
Yeah, I mentioned that in here yesterday. Ma-in-law had both doses, 3 weeks apart. My dad has had first, with appointment booked for 21 days later.

Will be interesting to see bigger dataset later down the line, but anecdotally there’s a lot of GPs sticking to 3 weeks.

Just examples and effects of the decentralisation of the NHS and various services it buys into such as GP practices. In essence postcode lottery.
 
there should be, given that’s how the Pfizer dose was approved - did the Government ever give doctors any legal cover for using it in the way they suggested?

Good question, wonder if there’s back and forth between medical professionals on policy and legal cover, so in the interim they’re sticking with the approved method of administration.

My sis in law is a GP, and she said they’re doing 3 weeks as that’s what the Pfizer documentation says.
 
Yeah, in this case to some people’s benefit, as if it was operating uniformly according to central gov advice, they’d all be applying the unproven 12 week approach.
NHS was decentralised in 2012 by the Health and Social act 2012, I believe it was PM Corbyn or was it Miliband, so long ago, just don't blame the Conservatives, anyone would think they have been in power for 10 plus years.
 
Good question, wonder if there’s back and forth between medical professionals on policy and legal cover, so in the interim they’re sticking with the approved method of administration.

My sis in law is a GP, and she said they’re doing 3 weeks as that’s what the Pfizer documentation says.

Maybe get out clauses in COVID act 2020, they have done loads in social services that is basically pulling or reducing of services, doubt they will.come back.
 
Im not quite sure what point you’re making, feels like we’re talking about different things?
Yes I was being flippant, maybe look at the various acts, and ones that may have been tweaked.. Start with Covid Act and medication acts I have no intention looking to far into the dark arts of health, I have enough with social.
 
That’s the problem. This is meant to be a lockdown again, not like over the last few months restrictions.
The ‘well if there open, then we’re opening! ‘
A take away coffee isn’t key work.

Sorry, but it just isn’t.
I absolutely agree it's not key. But if it's open in a safe way, then I don't see how it's contributing to the spread. And surely for people's livelihood when this is over, if they're able to keep their business open in some form - and that form is safe - then you can see their reasoning?

I don't 100% know if they're still open as I haven't walked past in about 2 weeks now, but it was on that first week after lockdown and there were two coppers there getting their coffee.

Up to the government to shut all those places but the grants for the small businesses probably don't even cover their rent for a few months, mate.
 
Thats not strictly true Dave.

My sister works in a care home and gets tested weekly. She has been covid positive twice and isolated both times. Once the isolation is over she has to go back because they actually do need people to work not just for wages but to actually look after the people who rely on them.

So it isn't all about folk going in sick for fear of losing money, a lot of people are abiding by the rules but this virus is rife and spreads like wildfire.
I think this gets ignored and it's a hard thing to say.

It seems overly simple, but how does any virus spread, and what time of year do they spread the most?

We're in the middle of winter - and it's been a pretty cold and miserable one in the last few weeks too.

People get ill.

If you catch a bug, any bug, you don't necessarily need to have been doing something socially to have caught it.

Obviously, if people aren't following the rules, it's going to contribute to the spread. But it won't be the only reason. It simply can't be.

Look at sport to see a very small reflection of it.

Those tennis players landing in Aus. They tested negative a day before getting on the plane. A day later, a raft of positives.

Then look across every country in Europe, even ones with the virus 'under control' (Spain seem to be doing relatively well atm for example). They've still had a winter spike in cases - however small that spike may be compared to the UK's.

Look at Australia. In the middle of August, they had a 'spike'. Yes, a tiny one compared to us. Tiny ammount of cases, but they had a spike - as it was the middle of their winter.

It's a virus, it spreads and it's not going anywhere. But it's why full focus has to be on the vaccine and when enough people have got both doses of whatever vaccine they're getting, then it should be the end of lockdowns or restrictions or frankly we might never as well bother trying.
 
@maccavennie hope you're on the mend. just a question, how did you think you may have caught it?

Anything in particular you can think of where you have (inadvertently probably) put yourself at risk? Or a family member etc?

Or is it just a case that you might have popped to the shop and that in itself is a risk?
 
@maccavennie hope you're on the mend. just a question, how did you think you may have caught it?

Anything in particular you can think of where you have (inadvertently probably) put yourself at risk? Or a family member etc?

Or is it just a case that you might have popped to the shop and that in itself is a risk?

Yes mate I don't mind at all and this is how I think I caught it.

My mother in laws husband went into hospital with an infection. He caught covid in hospital. My mother in law (who was in our bubble for emergency purposes only) and her husband came to ours for Christmas Dinner.

That is the only family member I saw over Christmas and I'm certain that's where I got it. We took mother in law for covid test on 23.12.20 to try and minimise the risk and it cane back negative. By the 26.12.20 she was feeling unwell. By the 27.12.20 she had confirmed covid and me, my wife and kids were in isolation. 1.1.21 my daughter had a night of vomiting and I was under the weather. Went for test, confirmed covid either 2nd or 3rd Jan, everything is a little hazy from here up until around the 15th illness wise and time i spent in hospital. But when it grabbed me, it grabbed me good and proper mate. My wife had the vaccine just before Christmas and I'm certain that saved her from getting it to anything of extent (she did have it during 1st wave) and my son had fatigue for a couple of days as well.

Basically I blame myself anyway, I knew the risk of having them around but found it difficult to say to my wife that I don't think they should come round. So I took a chance for the sake of 4 hours with family and it basically buzzed off me and gave me a good old beating.

Edit : just to add i had been working in an office up until the 23rd with one other person, I'd been on public transport a couple of times and had been to my local corner shop a couple of times. The job my wife does also means she's exposed to covid patients quite a lot. So it could easily have been any of the above, but for me the most rational explanation is being an absolute tit and having 2 people round for dinner when my gut instinct all along was telling me to knock it on the head and say no.
 
Yes mate I don't mind at all and this is how I think I caught it.

My mother in laws husband went into hospital with an infection. He caught covid in hospital. My mother in law (who was in our bubble for emergency purposes only) and her husband came to ours for Christmas Dinner.

That is the only family member I saw over Christmas and I'm certain that's where I got it. We took mother in law for covid test on 23.12.20 to try and minimise the risk and it cane back negative. By the 26.12.20 she was feeling unwell. By the 27.12.20 she had confirmed covid and me, my wife and kids were in isolation. 1.1.21 my daughter had a night of vomiting and I was under the weather. Went for test, confirmed covid either 2nd or 3rd Jan, everything is a little hazy from here up until around the 15th illness wise and time i spent in hospital. But when it grabbed me, it grabbed me good and proper mate. My wife had the vaccine just before Christmas and I'm certain that saved her from getting it to anything of extent (she did have it during 1st wave) and my son had fatigue for a couple of days as well.

Basically I blame myself anyway, I knew the risk of having them around but found it difficult to say to my wife that I don't think they should come round. So I took a chance for the sake of 4 hours with family and it basically buzzed off me and gave me a good old beating.

Grim. I'm sure having some protection will have really helped your wife. It's why it's so important that people have it and get it as quickly as possible. Some protection is better than nothing - like you say it could well have been that that helped her (or it's just this thing is totally random with who it gets badly!).

I guess your story will be a regular occurrence, and it isn't really doing anything wrong. The most common place for people to catch this seems to be in hospital.
 
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