Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
The opportunity of vaccine produced at warp speed - a leap for humanity - thrown down the toilet by clueless politicians trying to cope with the mess they created.
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I’m hoping the politicians know something we don’t, but they from the outside looking in have taken a big risk. How many over there would have gotten the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, I presume the most vulnerable? Could be scary stuff.

Something that hasn't been raised is the psychology between the first and second dose and how that may influence risk and spread, basically there is still a massive risk between doses, obviously the minimum time between the first and booster dose the better in risk reduction. Yet I think we will see a few shrug of the safety measures and take more risks after getting the “vaccine” or rather first dose.
 
Toast said:
I think I do get it.

You have looked after your Mrs having looked death in the face.

You will do anything not to have to do that again.

You stick to the lockdown rules perfectly and you won’t catch it if you continue to do so. Well that’s the plan anyway.

A lot of people just think there invincible.
Well, there not are they.
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Nope.

And your post made me cry a bit. In a good way. Ta. Xx
 
BlueToff said:
Yeah then the criteria needs sorting.

But if you look at the advice now, it's exactly the same as it was in the spring. So it's again down to individual people to make better decisions?
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The criteria definitely needs sorting - it's too open to abuse. The Govt guidelines state that a child with at least one parent or carer who is a 'critical worker' can attend school. In this scenario the second parent may be furloughed or not working and decide to put the child in school, increasing the numbers when they could be schooled at home.

But employers also have a lot to answer for. At the end of the day if your employer is continuing to operate and you're expected to work to remain in employment then you're going to do that and take up one of these key worker places aren't you. My situation is a perfect example. Looking at the Government guidance my wife is a critical worker (nurse) whilst I am not (construction). However as you know construction has remained open and so I have no choice but to go to work and therefore my child takes a school place. If I was allowed to work from home (which I should be able to in the job I have) I would potentially be able to facilitate home school for my child also, as I did in the first lockdown.

For me school places should only be for children with all parents / carers as critical workers. At least until we get control of this again.
 
adi dassler said:
The criteria definitely needs sorting - it's too open to abuse. The Govt guidelines state that a child with at least one parent or carer who is a 'critical worker' can attend school. In this scenario the second parent may be furloughed or not working and decide to put the child in school, increasing the numbers when they could be schooled at home.

But employers also have a lot to answer for. At the end of the day if your employer is continuing to operate and you're expected to work to remain in employment then you're going to do that and take up one of these key worker places aren't you. My situation is a perfect example. Looking at the Government guidance my wife is a critical worker (nurse) whilst I am not (construction). However as you know construction has remained open and so I have no choice but to go to work and therefore my child takes a school place. If I was allowed to work from home (which I should be able to in the job I have) I would potentially be able to facilitate home school for my child also, as I did in the first lockdown.

For me school places should only be for children with all parents / carers as critical workers. At least until we get control of this again.
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Similar situation to me and a fair few other people I know. My work is non essential but the company are not accommodating and requesting time off or even to be furloughed would go down like a lead balloon. So my kids go in when i should really be put on furlough and be able to home school them (well try to but it’d be a right lark on)
 
maccavennie said:
Your generalising though that care workers will just ignore if they feel unwell in turn for wages.

They get tested weekly thats all they can do. If its positive they isolate. If its negative they work. There is no in between, its very clear.

My sister works on her shift with 5 other staff members and at some time or another they have all isolated through getting tested.

Hospitals will discharge anyone well enough to leave the hospital as well mate, that's always been the case. Beds are at a premium so if you can recover at home they'll send you home or sent back to a care home thats what they'll do.

There is no way of keeping a lid on this thing Dave, if we all do our bit it certainly helps but the only 100% exit plan is the vaccine. The sooner everyone has it the better.
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There have been reports of care homes telling care workers to go back to work even after a positive covid19 test. And as for hospitals discharging people "well enough" - we all saw what happened the first time round.

What is sure is that the virus has got into care homes in a big way again in this second wave, and it's on the way to becoming as calamitous as the first wave in those places.

Can you stop all old people dying in care homes? No, of course not. Can you make sure hospitals dont get broken and start discharging infected people back into care homes? Yes. You follow scientific advice not to allow the economy to remain open deep into winter.
 
Neiler said:
I’m hoping the politicians know something we don’t, but they from the outside looking in have taken a big risk. How many over there would have gotten the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, I presume the most vulnerable? Could be scary stuff.

Something that hasn't been raised is the psychology between the first and second dose and how that may influence risk and spread, basically there is still a massive risk between doses, obviously the minimum time between the first and booster dose the better in risk reduction. Yet I think we will see a few shrug of the safety measures and take more risks after getting the “vaccine” or rather first dose.
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As the peice said re getting the 1st jab: "Pretend it didn't happen".

It's appalling how the message on first jab levels of 'imminuty' has been allowed to be hyped up needlessly and dangerously. But that's how big pharma and politicians work: selling the sizzle before the steak's in front of us.
 
davek said:
There have been reports of care homes telling care workers to go back to work even after a positive covid19 test. And as for hospitals discharging people "well enough" - we all saw what happened the first time round.

What is sure is that the virus has got into care homes in a big way again in this second wave, and it's on the way to becoming as calamitous as the first wave in those places.

Can you stop all old people dying in care homes? No, of course not. Can you make sure hospitals dont get broken and start discharging infected people back into care homes? Yes. You follow scientific advice not to allow the economy to remain open deep into winter.
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I can't say I've seen or read reports of care homes telling staff to work after a positive covid test. I can only tell you about the care home my sister works at and how they deal with any positive cases.
 
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