Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

Well that's my mum's classroom and another in the school bubble sent home today after someone came back with a positive test.

Can't see schools staying open much longer myself.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Despite having the most restrictive approach in Europe to try and counter the virus they are now the top two affected in the resurgence. Down the road, the least restrictive regime (Sweden) finds itself in the bottom handful amongst European countries COVID death rates. So naturally the way to address our own (seeming) growing problem is to follow............

I hope you're going to conclude this with 'the method that provides the best mitigatation after considering the available scientific evidence, an assessment of national/local risk and social/cultural behaviours of our country.'

 

[mrb85]

Hospital figures - 26 deaths were announced today, down 4 on yesterday and up 13 on last Wednesday. 23 deaths were in English hospitals, down 5 on yesterday and up 12 on last week with 22 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average rises to 20.14

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 37 deaths were announced today, the same total as yesterday and 17 up on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 25.43

For the 60 day cut off, 57 deaths were announced today, up 17 on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 40 and up 35 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 33.14

For the legacy/no cut off, 87 deaths were announced today, down 2 on yesterday’s eventual announced total of 89 and up 20 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 68.29

Be aware that these deaths will be listed as Covid related if the poor souls involved had been tested positive within the time periods you reference even if the cause of death was totally unrelated to the virus. A recently published study by Oxford University covering the months of July and August concluded that some 30% of 'Covid deaths' in fact were unrelated to having once been found to have it, and included causes of death from things like car crashes.

 

[BlueToff]

I don't really think it is, pretty much every expert during the first lockdown said test amd trace would be essential to the re-opening process

Fair enough, but Sweden also got roundly slated for their approach and it turns out (for them) it seems to have been the right one.

 

[davek]

Be aware that these deaths will be listed as Covid related if the poor souls involved had been tested positive within the time periods you reference even if the cause of death was totally unrelated to the virus. A recently published study by Oxford University covering the months of July and August concluded that some 30% of 'Covid deaths' in fact were unrelated to having once been found to have it, and included causes of death from things like car crashes.

 

[BlueToff]

No it doesn't a huge percentage of the media is owned and directed by right wing moguls, I dont see how over 80% is cancelled out by around 10 %

And if you were on the right side of the argument you'd see it as the left being biased.

I cba with it because it justs end up going around in circles.

 

[mrb85]

I hope you're going to conclude this with 'the method that provides the best mitigatation after considering the available scientific evidence, an assessment of national/local risk and social/cultural behaviours of our country.'

I wouldn't mind that as a conclusion at all -- problem is we're not seeing any such rational comparative investigative analysis. Presumably you're not suggesting we have? Why we're not I don't understand. Why is the fixation with new cases still with us? It's the most meaningless statistic in the whole debate. Why have none of the major TV stations arranged for a full debate on the data? They did so often enough over Brexit; but here we actually have questions that can be answered without comeback on key areas of the debate, based on quantitative analysis, not on opinions and conclusions based on flimsy, untested data, never put to rigorous review - has there ever been a more blatant attempt at swaying minds by scaremongering and abuse of figures than that disgraceful TV appearance on Monday by Whitty and Parlance? No wonder there was no use of Zoom to allow questions to be asked of them; the pair of them would have been pulled apart and quickly shown to be there not to educate but to simply strike more fear (not I suppose that the questions would have been allowed if they'd have possibly shown the presentation for what it was).

PS - You're conclusion to my post suggests you've swallowed one of cop outs to preventing meaningful comparison of inter-country differences in contagion etc by referring to 'social/behaviour of our country'. We have in Europe what are akin to two very different real 'experiments' in how is the best way to proceed. Both need to be thoroughly assessed. As far as I am aware, there is as yet no scientific evidence that would put UK 'behaviours' as a differentiating factor. We really shouldn't be allowing our ruling politicians to get away with that as an excuse for their own failures in the policy fiasco to date.

 

[coollino]

Well that's my mum's classroom and another in the school bubble sent home today after someone came back with a positive test.

Can't see schools staying open much longer myself.

I think they will shut everything in existence before schools. I think that's a major backtrack they won't want to admit to as it will be down to their lack of planning.

 

[mrb85]

If they're using those nets as protection against catching the virus I think they might be disappointed.

 

[Kenshin]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...kyQpRfKI6oUwWsbO3PpwSc8EcM#Echobox=1600952656

Boris Johnson’s government has confirmed it will top up the Queen’s income following a significant slump in the Crown Estate’s revenue during the coronavirus crisis.

Not to worry.

Queen is getting in on the government schemes as well lol

 

[mrb85]

That's irrelevant to what we're discussing.

Not sure which part you say is irrelevant. If its the bit on Thatcher then I'd agree -- but you did raise her name in your previous post.

 

[COYBL25]

I think they will shut everything in existence before schools. I think that's a major backtrack they won't want to admit to as it will be down to their lack of planning.

The “ bubbles “ seem to be working well in the schools around by us.

No schools shut down, despite quite a few kids testing positive.

 

[RAFUH]

Can't remember if I posted this and cba doing a search.

Good resource for those interested in the medical side of things. This has everything - prevention, management of active disease and complications, post -COVID complications, vaccines, tests, you name it...

Joint effort by CDC and IDSA (Infectious Disease Society of America) to curate a repository of all the evidence - updated daily.

COVID-19 Real-Time Learning Network

 

[mrb85]

These the same ones telling us earlier in the year that Sweden had completely gone the wrong way?

Note: I'm not saying the UK taking Sweden's approach would have worked. Apples and oranges, I know. Just shows, nobody knows the best way to sort this and lockdown can't actually be proved to 100% work until we come out of it completely and return to normal life.

Obviously, rates need to be low for that to happen but it has to happen at some point soon.

Thing is, Track and Trace is already, even in its far from satisfactory state of application, creating much more 'lockdown type' situations even where risk is minimal -- witness whole schools being closed and employees in offices and factories being sent home for 14 days on the back of just one individual having been found with the virus.

 

[Walken]

And if you were on the right side of the argument you'd see it as the left being biased.

I cba with it because it justs end up going around in circles.

Only if you were an idiot, 80% vs about 15% in mainstream news coverage on the UK favours the right