Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

Ive been flamed non stop for saying the opposite, as ive said nobody in liverpool sticks to the rules and its showing

Well done you.

 

[mrb85]

We put policy and guidelines in place as best we can according to all the scientific evidence available at the time, let society function as best it can given the framework, evaluate the impact, and adjust accordingly. Rinse and repeat.

That is how social science is supposed to work. Science doesn't have all the answers immediately, but science and human ingenuity are wonder for finding solutions given even the most extraodinary circumstances.

But you will always have tribal idiots who will criticize anything the government does, any tweak in policy or change of strategy as an excuse to stick the knife in and claim that we are run by incompetent and uncaring baffoons. The older you get the more you realise that some people do nothing at all but find something or someone to blame for their woes, and a public health crisis is the perfect platform for them to voice their vitriol. They have nothing at all constructive to offer, and frankly I have no time for them.

Pity the actions have all been taken with nothing like a full and rigorous examination of the evidence.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Another County in Ireland has had restrictions inposed today with atvleast another 5 counties under threat of the same.

 

[mrb85]

Covid19 is more contagious and not responsive to the medicines flu can be dealt with. If we let the vulnerable population unshielded from it it'd take tens and tens of thousands, not the usual 10,000 or so that the seasonal flu takes.

Not denying your key points, but flu killed 28,000 only 5 years ago. Average deaths in the last 5 years is 17,000. Young children are more vulnerable to death from flu than from Covid.

 

[YoboCopter]

Well done you.

Sarcasm, the lowest form of whit

 

[BlueToff]

Not denying your key points, but flu killed 28,000 only 5 years ago. Average deaths in the last 5 years is 17,000. Young children are more vulnerable to death from flu than from Covid.

The issue now is we can't have 17,000 flu deaths plus another 20,000 COVID deaths on top.

I understand the restrictions continuing, I'm just mad that we appear (as a planet) no closer to finding an alternative solution.

 

[mrb85]

And we have to remember that is in just over half a year and the only reason it's that low is because we went through a huge lockdown and the upsurge started happening mid-March. If it had been December-January then the hospitals would have been even less able to deal with the fallout due to the increased sneezing/coughing that goes on.

Untrue actually, the properly rigorous statistical studies of the data conclude that in fact the virus was in recession before the lockdown came in to play.

 

[Blues Harp]

Sarcasm, the lowest form of whit

What??

 

[spectateur]

Be aware that these deaths will be listed as Covid related if the poor souls involved had been tested positive within the time periods you reference even if the cause of death was totally unrelated to the virus. A recently published study by Oxford University covering the months of July and August concluded that some 30% of 'Covid deaths' in fact were unrelated to having once been found to have it, and included causes of death from things like car crashes.

How many people who died in road traffic accidents during July and August had actually been tested positive for the covid virus.

 

[mrb85]

Flu usually just finishes off the very weakest. This is killing people that are much more robust than that.

Wrong. Over 90% of people to have died from Covid did so having had serious pre-existing conditions.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Wrong. Over 90% of people to have died from Covid did so having had serious pre-existing conditions.

There are lots of pre existing conditions, doesn't mean you should die from having every single one. You seem like a bundle of fun, go produce all these stats so we can be enlightened by your wisdom.

 

[Kenshin]

Be aware that these deaths will be listed as Covid related if the poor souls involved had been tested positive within the time periods you reference even if the cause of death was totally unrelated to the virus. A recently published study by Oxford University covering the months of July and August concluded that some 30% of 'Covid deaths' in fact were unrelated to having once been found to have it, and included causes of death from things like car crashes.

Also take Into account average deaths have been 15% lower in recent weeks , in the range of around 1000 people a week.

 

[mrb85]

There are lots of pre existing conditions, doesn't mean you should die from having every single one. You seem like a bundle of fun, go produce all these stats so we can be enlightened by your wisdom.

Too busy. You can find them all easily on ONS websites.

 

[Kenshin]

Interesting this. Going on the basis alone of the week ending 11th September because he arsed writing about every week as they are all similar.

893 people died that week of respiratory diseases, anything but covid-19.

Only 99 died of covid.

The 893 consist of

. ICD-10 Code range (J00-J99), Diseases of the respiratory system, contains ICD-10 codes for Acute upper respiratory infections, Influenza and pneumonia, Other acute lower respiratory infections, Other diseases of upper respiratory tract, Chronic lower respiratory diseases, Lung diseases due to external agents, Other respiratory diseases principally affecting the interstitium.

In fact general respiratory diseases took over more and more since the middle of June, before that as expected covid-19 was down as cause of death significantly more.

Age of death generally is significantly more in 74 plus in both ages.

Digging deeper in the numbers , the amount of people dying pre covid and during covid from 44 downwards .....haven't changed hardly. There are increases as you move up the age groups which is again expected but it seems this year, hardly any more people are dying in the age groups under 45, even in a pandemic.

Which suggests , the effect covid has had on 44 and under is minimal in terms of deaths.

So younger people aren't dying from covid any more than minimally given the figures.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Too busy. You can find them all easily on ONS websites.

I suppose it must be with all that crowd control you do: