Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[YoboCopter]

Have you bothered fact-checking these numbers?

Dont need facts to ruffle a few feathers my
Matey

 

[Kenshin]

What about the balance between health and the economy ?

I was reading an article last night that predicted that one in four jobs in the hospitality industry could go by Spring 2021.

That`s not just people who work directly in them, but included delivery drivers, cleaners, maintenance staff, caterers, brewery staff - I could go on.

All these people pay taxes, that would no longer be getting paid and would then go onto benefits.

Some would invariably lose their homes, split up from their families, meaning the State would be picking up the pieces from that, without getting into the social problems that arise from this.

Local shops and businesses in these areas would suffer / go bust, as people wouldn`t have the money to spend anymore.

Crime, drug / alcohol abuse goes hand in hand with unemployment, meaning more pressure on the Police, hospitals etc .

So it`s a balancing act, between trying to stop all of the above, whilst at the same time trying to keep the lid on the virus as best as we possibly can.

As for the 10pm rule, my take on it, is that it`s there to put the brakes on the youth, who seem to be driving the spread at the moment.

I'm not advocating shutting businesses , just stop socialising with people if you are having a local lockdown. Still go the ships , the pub, the restaurant or whatever you want to do, just maybe not keep the you and 5 of your mates tagline whilst you are trying to reduce numbers.

We do need to keep businesses open even if there are limitations. They something I personally support.

I just think it's anti productive for a local lockdown to half arse the measures on meeting up with people. Location shouldnt dictate it , just stop it all together until you get the desired result.

 

[davek]

Sounds like a statement is due from the chancellor at around lunch time.

Expecting some sort of wage subsidy programme to boost wages if employers bring back employees part time.

That cant be right, surely? I've been told on here that more government intervention cant be sustained, so everywhere will have to remain open for business.

That's strange.

 

[COYBL25]

It was a genuine question.

I don’t buy the mental health argument as justification, it’s one Christmas. The general health risks are far more important.

I`m inclined to agree.

Let`s face it, apart from a minority, Christmas has long stopped being a religious festival.

Plus, every faith will have had at least one important religious event cancelled at some point due to all this, some will have had more than one.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It was a genuine question.

I don’t buy the mental health argument as justification, it’s one Christmas. The general health risks are far more important.

I think both arguments are extremely valid, and there are no simple answers. I certainly don't have all the answers.

Loneliness and isolation is a serious health risk. Covid is a serious helath risk. So what do we do?

I think there has to be a balance between them, but how we do that, I do not know.

 

[Jebus_lives]

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Hopefully we get told to stay in incase we get murdererd

roughly the same chance

650 people were murdered in the UK last year

There is around 35-40k deaths from stroke annually

CHD causes around 65000 deaths annually

The official Covid19 death toll is around 42000.

 

[JLW]

It was a genuine question.

I don’t buy the mental health argument as justification, it’s one Christmas. The general health risks are far more important.

I don’t buy the kill your grandmother argument!
once all this COVID is over and gone, and then during the winter say next year when the flu is rife should we have some kind of lockdown or curfews? Its highly contagious and can kill your grandmother is she gets it.

BTW I don’t meant his in arsey way it’s a genuine question

 

[davek]

We have to have a sensible debate here without going straight to the killing grandparents stuff. Of course there are risks, but there are big risks with every option and we have to find a balance. A winter of no social interaction with family for isolated people, be they elderly, young, or somewhere in between, is going to create another crisis.

Setting rules that will obviously be ignored is not the best way forward as far as I see. We need to educate on how to mitigate risks rather than dictating, because people will ignore. The basics are being completely forgotten because of the government changing the rules every other day.

There have been millions of people hunkering down since March without going out. I cant remember too many times on here their mental well being at the forefront of people's attention.

 

[COYBL25]

It's so exhausting. Was at starbucks, okay we have a mask on while ordering, but then I proceed to a table and started reading my book, five min later, I was about to go to toilet, they warned me to wear a mask again, even briefly. It kills every bit of fun. I don't feel relaxed, I feel stressed.

With the net result you stop going, as it`s just not worth it.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That cant be right, surely? I've been told on here that more government intervention cant be sustained, so everywhere will have to remain open for business.

That's strange.

Well the new scheme will be far less generous and will be a top up rather than a fulrough scheme, I assume.

The furlough scheme was completely unsustainable. Not just because of the cost, but also because it stopped some from actually working.

You were right that further intervention can be sustained, but completely wrong that the current scheme could be sustained.

 

[Nymzee]

Pffft no one is whinging to stating what their experience was like when in one in the current situation. God blimey what’s up with everyone today?

Just because you're not whinging doesn't mean others aren't.

Do you think all my posts are aimed directly at you or something?

 

[davek]

I don’t buy the kill your grandmother argument!
once all this COVID is over and gone, and then during the winter say next year when the flu is rife should we have some kind of lockdown or curfews? Its highly contagious and can kill your grandmother is she gets it.

Covid19 is more contagious and not responsive to the medicines flu can be dealt with. If we let the vulnerable population unshielded from it it'd take tens and tens of thousands, not the usual 10,000 or so that the seasonal flu takes.

 

[Nymzee]

I think both arguments are extremely valid, and there are no simple answers. I certainly don't have all the answers.

Loneliness and isolation is a serious health risk. Covid is a serious helath risk. So what do we do?

I think there has to be a balance between them, but how we do that, I do not know.

Why are uni students lonely & isolated over Christmas if they're all in the same boat?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Just because you're not whinging doesn't mean others aren't.

Do you think all my posts are aimed directly at you or something?

Oh great, now you're having a go a me! Back off @Nymzee

 

[JLW]

Just because you're not whinging doesn't mean others aren't.

Do you think all my posts are aimed directly at you or something?

I’m trying get to the top of league mate