Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Fathers aren't allowed to see scans of their children either. Heck, they weren't allowed to attend the birth for a bit in Ireland. Perspective. I know this is a football forum, but it's just a game.
Fathers still not allowed attend births in Ireland
All pubs and restaurants in Dublin closed again
This is going to be hell of a poopstorm both medially and economically
 
Not quite sure how. His whole go and get a subway because it’s half price has only added to the spike

He organised a scheme to pay wages for like 11m people

I think we'd be in a very bad place if he hadn't. And it's not a particularly tory policy by any means.

And the schemes actually worked very efficiently, and that's not easy when so many claims are being made.
 
Not quite sure how. His whole go and get a subway because it’s half price has only added to the spike

He was probably acting on the advice that we would have a decent track and trace system at the time. I can also see the point of restaurants opening over pubs. It's like having a choice of impossible decisions, try to help and it stores up issues for later, do nothing and people would have been made redundant sooner.

Hopefully the next idea is going to be better.
 
An unrestricted tourism industry in a second wave will increase infection. We saw how the first wave spike was flattened out: there was a lockdown and mobility was minimal. It's the only way to get on top of it, so tourism will have to wait again.

The structural problem is that the UK economy is skewed - a disproportionate amount of people involved in service industries requiring face to face contact.
I know it's convenient to talk about 'the industry' rather than individual people, but for every industry that is allowed to die or told to wait there are tens of thousands of individuals affected. It's rent not paid, bills not paid, closure of business, closure of local services, increase in support mechanisms needed.

And completely locking down isn't 'the only way to get on top of it'. We live with risk all our lives, and even where there is a pandemic, it can be managed with the right systems in place that we mitigate as much risk as possible.

Sticking with Blackpool, there are around 25,000 full time jobs in Blackpool that rely on tourism. It's tourism industry is valued at around £1.6bn. There is evidence across multiple disasters and emergencies that the perception of problems and reputational damage in tourism is often worse than the actual difficulties faced and it's possible the perception that it cannot open successfully, on a town so reliant on tourism, would cripple it. It's missed the summer season and it's now set to miss the autumn and winter season.

Equally, I doubt it's inhabitants are interested in a debate as to whether the economy needs a shift at the present time. Perhaps as part of the learning when we begin to fully recover but really many can't wait and hope that investment is made in diversification.
 
He was probably acting on the advice that we would have a decent track and trace system at the time. I can also see the point of restaurants opening over pubs. It's like having a choice of impossible decisions, try to help and it stores up issues for later, do nothing and people would have been made redundant sooner.

Hopefully the next idea is going to be better.
There isn't any more ideas though.

It's either open up or close down. The current rules will change very little on terms of numbers simply based on logic so the next step is to close down again. Then open up, get increased numbers , shut it down again etc.

It is just going to be an endless cycle
 
He organised a scheme to pay wages for like 11m people

I think we'd be in a very bad place if he hadn't. And it's not a particularly tory policy by any means.

And the schemes actually worked very efficiently, and that's not easy when so many claims are being made.
Is this actually true? Wasn't it fairly open to corporate abuse ; people getting paid by the state and working other jobs; and anecdotally, I know of companies who entered their staff on the scheme, but realised that their business wasn't as badly effected as anticipated after a week, but couldn't take their staff off of it for another two weeks causing loss of business and extra expense to the taxpayer.
 
There isn't any more ideas though.

It's either open up or close down. The current rules will change very little on terms of numbers simply based on logic so the next step is to close down again. Then open up, get increased numbers , shut it down again etc.

It is just going to be an endless cycle
Thankfully it isn't.
 
There isn't any more ideas though.

It's either open up or close down. The current rules will change very little on terms of numbers simply based on logic so the next step is to close down again. Then open up, get increased numbers , shut it down again etc.

It is just going to be an endless cycle

It is but the realisation of this and the fact we are heading towards winter months are going to make this cycle obviously unworkable. We won't lockdown completely for long enough to help knock it back therefore something else has to be put in place. What that is who knows. If I were to guess it will probably be something like you can only mingle with your own household and those businesses where it is impossible to not have face to face contact will be on pause again.
 
Controversial question here.

At what point , given the ramifications of imposing lockdown restrictions for potentially millions of people. Given that the average age of death for covid-19 is over 80.

When do you start to loosen restrictions that are mainly there to protect age groups most likely to die?

In 2018 there were over half a million deaths attributed to dementia and Alzheimer's in the uk based on a quick Google. The age groups affected by this are similar to the average age of deaths for covid-19.

At what point do you return to normal because you are mostly protecting those who are most likely to die anyway? Mostly being the key word , not all.

And at what point do you simply seek to protect those people rather than shut an entire country down who are mostly likely to survive the virus .

It's a callous way of putting it , but it is the reality of it.
 
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