Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Rishi Sunak apparently working on a new scheme to subsidise wages and get people back working part time.

At least someone in the government has some idea what they are doing

Rishi Sunak weighs up German-style wage subsidies to replace furlough scheme

Exclusive: option part of wider emergency package to help firms through second wave of Covid-19

www.theguardian.com

Must have been listening to the Starmer, the Bank of England Governor and of course Germany... The question now, is Dishi Rishi a Communist?

 

[Walken]

All I hear now is people moaning about current goverment policy.. frankly it's a bit pathetic. Genuine question for those criticising - what, PRECISELY, would you do that the governement isn't doing?

Please be specific:

What exact changes do you want to see?
What quantifiable results do you expect from it?
How will it be paid for?

Policymakers are in an impossible situation here. They need to strike a balance between protecting the vulnerable, protecting individual liberties, and supporting the economy. All 3 can claim equal importance and yet pull public policy in different directions.

The current policy doesn't anger me in all honesty, but their abject failure to not only install a test and trace system but not go full tory and actually try and profiteer from a crisis for their donors and pals would have been something that would garner a bit more patience from me. No matter what policy they bring out now, the conversation will have to return to test and trace and they've not only failed on that, but they put their ethos before the success of the project in a time of crisis.

 

[Kenshin]

I look at it like this.
If we abide by the new rules were we can’t visit anyone else’s house then some of us could possibly never see our parents again! They could pass away for various reasons that’s not COVID in the near future. Possibly in the next 6 months
Sorry but No goverment rule will ever stop me from going to see my parents or other family members whenever I want.
just think about that for second, some Tory wank stain is telling you you can’t go and see your parents, grandkids or grandparents!!! Hahahahaha ‘Koff

And here is the point that I think 90% on here completely choose to ignore.

People have lost people during the last 6 months that they couldn't go anywhere near because they were told they would kill them.

Yet we know for a FACT that Tory MPs have not adhered to the rules.

Given that the average age of covid deaths is over 80 anyway, many people over the winter will lose someone close to them for a variety of reasons, I did last winter.

So unless every single Tory MP and member of the government adhere to the rules 100% (which they haven't already this week) then it's insulting to tell us to do it.

I know people on here are just follow the rules , save lives etc. But are still meant to not see loved ones that we may never see again for the risk of killing them and never seeing them again?

Be as righteous as you want to be about the 'rules' , you wouldn't be so comfortable following them about loved ones if they prevented you ever seeing them again.

 

[davek]

as I’ve said before and you took it sarcastically whether it’s Corbyn , Martinez or the way to deal with this crisis I’d love to to have you absolute faith in anything .its an almost religious fervour in which you’re 100% convinced that your way is the only right way and any slight deviation from that path is insanity .

ive simply never had that much faith in myself or anything else so I constantly reevaluate or re-examine pretty much every situation . That’s not something you face , so in short that’s why I’m a bit confused or conflicted .

Your confusion has nothing to do with me having a consistent point of view on issues. Maybe you just live week to week or month to month and prefer not see the bigger picture. Many people do.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Must have been listening to the Starmer, the Bank of England Governor and of course Germany... The question now, is Dishi Rishi a Communist?

I have to say I like Rishi. The only person in the government coming out with credit for me.

The current furlough scheme is unaffordable in the long term. If we get people back working part time, and then subsidise their wages, we probably make the best of a bad situation.

Firstly, people's incomes are maintained, or at least to 80-90%. And secondly, getting people back even part time should help preserve their job in the longer term. The longer someone stays out of work the more likely an employer is to feel they are dispensable, and it's also good for people's mental and physical health to be back working.

 

[Harryflashman]

Your confusion has nothing to do with me having a consistent point of view on issues. Maybe you just live week to week or month to month and prefer not see the bigger picture. Many people do.

yeah maybe it’s that , thanks for the advice .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

All I hear now is people moaning about current goverment policy.. frankly it's a bit pathetic. Genuine question for those criticising - what, PRECISELY, would you do that the governement isn't doing?

Please be specific:

What exact changes do you want to see?
What quantifiable results do you expect from it?
How will it be paid for?

Policymakers are in an impossible situation here. They need to strike a balance between protecting the vulnerable, protecting individual liberties, and supporting the economy. All 3 can claim equal importance and yet pull public policy in different directions.

I would have started with safe discharging of vulnerable people into care care homes and appropriate PPE for NHS and Social care sector. As we did not the Government will be forever shackled by those failures which of course is entirely correct. So shoot me I'm a quantifiable socialist...

 

[Brisan123]

Please allow me a bit of latitude. You'd think I was miles out.

The point being: restaurant work and restaurants per se are deadly in a pandemic.

Death rate could be due to other factors such as Chefs being overweight and Taxi drivers and Security Guards having sedentary lifestyles

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The current policy doesn't anger me in all honesty, but their abject failure to not only install a test and trace system but not go full tory and actually try and profiteer from a crisis for their donors and pals would have been something that would garner a bit more patience from me. No matter what policy they bring out now, the conversation will have to return to test and trace and they've not only failed on that, but they put their ethos before the success of the project in a time of crisis.

Not a leading question as I don't know the answer, but has anywhere cracked the whole test and trace thing? It seems to have gone a bit quiet on apps. Has any country nailed it?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

yeah maybe it’s that , thanks for the advice .

We need a patting on the head emoticon for times like this.

 

[Nymzee]

Well yeah but it's not ideal and I would probably need to shout lol

It was just an example though. Letting our older relatives live in isolation over winter with little or no interaction other than over the phone, is pretty serious to me. There are serious social issues it could cause and it's not as simple as just telling folk to cut themselves off from others.

But so is going in their house and possibly giving them a deadly virus you didn't know you had.

 

[roydo]

Not a leading question as I don't know the answer, but has anywhere cracked the whole test and trace thing? It seems to have gone a bit quiet on apps. Has any country nailed it?

Its confusing. Like if you believe some posts on here from social media, we havnt got one, unless you travel to Dundee.

But in the comprehensive school near me, one pupil was tested positive, and using T & T, 41 others at the school are self isolating.

edit.

Students and staff self-isolate after Portishead school confirms coronavirus case

Forty-one pupils and two members of staff have been told to self-isolate after a confirmed Covid-19 case at Gordano School in...

www.northsomersettimes.co.uk

 

[JLW]

Whats your opinion on hospitals being overwhelmed in spain, italy and new york during the first wave?. How would you prevent this happening again in the event of a full 're-opening'?

First off all no one was prepared then as they are now regarding equipment and testing so I don’t ever see that happening again
Second people need to stop thinking this is the only thing that can make you unwell or kill you people die every single minute of everyday, that’s life.
Third a vaccine is the only way out and even then that doesn’t guarantee anything! So what do we do? Crack on as normal or live the rest of our lives or the foreseeable future living in fear and wrapped up in cotton wool staring at the four walls of our home that we may be evicted from due to job losses, Then when we come out the other side of this there’s no jobs, no future, no economy, mental health issues, stress of putting food on the table.

 

[Connor]

I have to say I like Rishi. The only person in the government coming out with credit for me.

Not quite sure how. His whole go and get a subway because it’s half price has only added to the spike

 

[COYBL25]

We need a patting on the head emoticon for times like this.

This is the one we really need.