Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

Itls a completely spurious argument to use demographics in this way. There will be ramifications for the long term health of many young people who have bene exposed to this virus. The long covidq19 problem is something the health professions know all about and have warned younger age groups to heed.

What you're proposing will store up a health disaster years down the line.


We all must be protected from the virus.

Doesnt that start with protecting yourself/family first?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Firts of all, we cant wish away a pandemic. Some areas (and areas of activity) will inevitably be more affected than others. Second, I dont say we need complete lockdown forever. But another lockdown has to be for a couple of months to get the infection levels under control for certain sectors like hospitality. Third, of course there can be no reset of the economic imbalance right now and I'm not suggesting people from Blackpool should be concerned with it. That debate's for the future.

First of all, I'm not sure anyone has suggested 'wishing it away'. That would be a bit naive tbf. I've talked in terms of risk appetite and management. It's not going away, but it can be managed effectively.

Second, another lockdown for 'a couple of months' for the hospitality industry could be catastrophic for somewhere like Blackpool and have significant long term economic and individual wellbeing implications.

Thirdly, it's much more difficult to reset the economic infrastructure of an area that is perceived as failing. Why would you invest in diversification of an economy like Blackpool when you know it has huge image problem leading from long term physical and mental health needs?

 

[Jebus_lives]

They could be. I think I read the case of chef's is the amount of time they remain in an enclosed space which, despite extractors etc will recirculate air all day long.

In and out of freezers, physically demanding and in sustained close proximity to others.

 

[davek]

Doesnt that start with protecting yourself/family first?

...yes. But governments need to set the foundations for that by making sure a whole population of families are going to come out the other side intact.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Why would I not?

Well, talk of availability in a year when others can take decades alarms me. I have no issue with them in general btw

 

[davek]

First of all, I'm not sure anyone has suggested 'wishing it away'. That would be a bit naive tbf. I've talked in terms of risk appetite and management. It's not going away, but it can be managed effectively.

Second, another lockdown for 'a couple of months' for the hospitality industry could be catastrophic for somewhere like Blackpool and have significant long term economic and individual wellbeing implications.

Thirdly, it's much more difficult to reset the economic infrastructure of an area that is perceived as failing. Why would you invest in diversification of an economy like Blackpool when you know it has huge image problem leading from long term physical and mental health needs?

If locking down = catastrophe for an area or sector that's a result of a political decision to stand aside and make it happen. There's nothing axiomatic about lockdowns leading to economic catastrophe.

And it might be difficult for an area to shift gears in terms of its economic activity but it's not impossible. Look at Liverpool shifting from a port related core economy to tourism; or certain Scottish mining or steel areas turning into silicon glen.

That's just the churn of economic activity in any nation.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Well, talk of availability in a year when others can take decades alarms me. I have no issue with them in general btw

The fastest vaccine production on record was Polio. It took 4 years and that was in the 60s. There has never been a vaccine produced in the era of the supercomputer and worldwide, realtime collaboration.

There really aren't that many new vaccines being produced from scratch.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

If locking down = catastrophe for an area or sector that's a result of a political decision to stand aside and make it happen. There's nothing axiomatic about lockdowns leading to economic catastrophe.

And it might be difficult for an area to shift gears in terms of its economic activity but it's not impossible. Look at Liverpool shifting from a port related core economy to tourism; or certain Scottish mining or steel areas turning into silicon glen.

That's just the churn of economic activity in any nation.

I think you may be glossing over several extremely painful decades for the city of Liverpool between the two, as well as over a billion pounds of investment from the EU to facilitate that.

Silicon glen was more from the shipping area of the Clyde estuary and is not a huge employer.

 

[YoboCopter]

Lockdown = failure from govt

sad state of affairs and the fall out from the economy bust of another lockdown cannot be under estimated

 

[evilwebby]

Loaded question again. What to do NOW after wasting so much time and money...it's not hindsight, most if not all of this was forseable(sp).

Regarding the bolded text, thousands of referrals weren't made because they weren't set up to accommodate any other complications, which, with this virus, are legion.

It's not a loaded question at all. It's a recent and real example of how, in considering and planning for a worst possible outcome, tou necessarily have to make decisions that are sub optimal for the majority of outcomes.

 

[orchard]

It's not a loaded question at all. It's a recent and real example of how, in considering and planning for a worst possible outcome, tou necessarily have to make decisions that are sub optimal for the majority of outcomes.

It certainly is, with the government wasting vast resources and considerable precious time to achieve so little(if anything), it's a bit like handing over the steering wheel milliseconds before impact.

 

[peteblue]

Great logic that, given that so far at least they’ve handled this much better than England has.

In what way exactly, apart from the PR ? ...deaths per million, tests performed per million, availability of hospital beds, the economy, GDP performance by sector. So exactly how ?.....

 

[Walken]

First off all no one was prepared then as they are now regarding equipment and testing so I don’t ever see that happening again
Second people need to stop thinking this is the only thing that can make you unwell or kill you people die every single minute of everyday, that’s life.
Third a vaccine is the only way out and even then that doesn’t guarantee anything! So what do we do? Crack on as normal or live the rest of our lives or the foreseeable future living in fear and wrapped up in cotton wool staring at the four walls of our home that we may be evicted from due to job losses, Then when we come out the other side of this there’s no jobs, no future, no economy, mental health issues, stress of putting food on the table.

No offence but I'm only replying mainly to your first sentence as the others are a bit away from what I asked. There is no doubt that medical staff will be learning all the time, and you hope that shielding the most vulnerable who are likely to be hospitalised will also be more effective. The testing is an utter shambles so I don't think we can count that in the plus column, now that is totally on this and previous austerity driven governments but even though it is their fault once it has failed we have to find other measures to prevent overwhelming the healthcare systems. I'm not sure anyone thinks this is the only thing that can kill you but it does appear to be only or most obvious thing currently that can overwhelm hospitals, shut down schools and close businesses and all the things you are rightly concerned about. That being said I think it is probably sensible that it is given something of a priority, and doing so doesn't mean you are living in fear or being controlled by cotton merchants so they can sell their masks and take over the world with their ill gotten gains, it just means you are willing to act with consideration and willing to listen to scientific consensus on a subject we the average joe knows next to nothing about.

 

[YoboCopter]

They might get to use that purpose built ozzy they never touched last time

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The fastest vaccine production on record was Polio. It took 4 years and that was in the 60s. There has never been a vaccine produced in the era of the supercomputer and worldwide, realtime collaboration.

There really aren't that many new vaccines being produced from scratch.

Interesting
The race is ON!
Obviously China and Russia claiming to pretty much gave it in the bag, trials have been hit and miss though

will wait and see I guess