Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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ToffeeTim said:
The furlough scheme doesn't end for another 6 weeks so I don't understand your point. Why would he bring in an alternative, less generous scheme when the current scheme had months left to run.

It's a bit narrow to just not like him because he's a tory, even though he's produced a policy that any normal labour government would have liked.

And his background is neither here nor there. Class politics irrelevant to me.
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If class politics cap fits, it fits, no hiding...

I've known many people who have had to leave there furlough jobs long ago because of the uncertainty and indecision...

Now for "class sport" Grouse shooting, what what old bean...;)
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
By the same logic it's a political decision to balance the health risk vs the economic or as is more appropriate the short term health 'benefit' vs long term health detriment. Lockdown should not be done lightly, it should be targeted and specific for maximum benefit and it should not be done without regard to oblique consequences.

Again, locking down may not cause economic catastrophe for an entire industry, but it can cause significant difficulties for a significant number of people and subsequently supporting services in that area.

Patrick Minford would be proud of your last point.
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It doesn't matter if you're Minford or Keyenes or Marx. The reality is that economies change their contours over time.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's barely changing anything. Why are people wetting the bed?
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Indeed. Slight reduction in opening hours, tightening of Covid measures generally, tighten in hospitality and retail, you can still meet 5 friends in a pub, reductions in wedding groups. It really will make little difference for the majority and the minority will just ignore it anyway.....
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
If class politics cap fits, it fits, no hiding...

I've known many people who have had to leave there furlough jobs long ago because of the uncertainty and indecision...

Now for "class sport" Grouse shooting, what what old bean...;)
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Really employers shouldn't have been letting anyone on furlough go until around now, because they didn't have to contribute anything until last month's payroll.

What would you have offered instead of the furlough scheme if you think it's so bad?

It sounds like you just don't like the policy because it's a tory policy lol
 
peteblue said:
Indeed. Slight reduction in opening hours, tightening of Covid measures generally, tighten in hospitality and retail, you can still meet 5 friends in a pub, reductions in wedding groups. It really will make little difference for the majority and the minority will just ignore it anyway.....
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Its a red herring that is why. Because its on the back of the eat out to help scheme and then more less dictating people back to the office, and then trying to convince that children wont spread it about at school. Anyone who has actually had and managed their own children know this is now peak time for virus illnesses...
 
peteblue said:
Indeed. Slight reduction in opening hours, tightening of Covid measures generally, tighten in hospitality and retail, you can still meet 5 friends in a pub, reductions in wedding groups. It really will make little difference for the majority and the minority will just ignore it anyway.....
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It seems perfectly sensible to me. Police reporting suggests that social distancing breaks down more significantly after 10pm so the measures put in place will hopefully mean that business activity can continue while mitigate risk.

There is a clear need for intervention to limit the spread, but not a justification for total lockdown.

Proportionality seems to have been thrown out the window for many.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Really employers shouldn't have been letting anyone on furlough go until around now, because they didn't have to contribute anything until last month's payroll.

What would you have offered instead of the furlough scheme if you think it's so bad?

It sounds like you just don't like the policy because it's a tory policy lol
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Cant stop people leaving insecure jobs. More what Starmer has been talking about months ago, similar to the Germans and French implemented long ago... Not waiting and playing with people lives...
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Cant stop people leaving insecure jobs. More what Starmer has been talking about months ago, similar to the Germans and French implemented long ago... Not waiting and playing with people lives...
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The German scheme is not as generous as the UK scheme, and only applies to people who have their hours cut. It's a wage subsidy which pays a proportion of un-worked hours. The UK job retention scheme paid 80% of wages up to £2.5k per month. But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument......

It's sounds like what they are considering bringing in from November, is basically a version of what they have in Germany. It will cost the treasury far less and I think it's a good idea as a replacement to furlough. We need to keep people in work, even if hours are cut in the short term.

Starmer has asked for the furlough scheme to be extended also. A strange thing to say if he wanted the German scheme instead?

I feel like we're going round in circles here.....
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Yet my friend who is a chef was more concerned about a prolonged lockdown than risk of infection.
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That all depends on personal circumstances. If they need the money to pay the mortgage and perhaps the HP on a car and they don't have at risk family and perhaps the business is going to go under if they don't start is going to give a different set of answers to someone who is financially secure and might have at risk people around them. The answer has to lay in-between those to extremes.
 
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