Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I wouldn`t say I fancy her as such, she just looks like utter filth.
Do you mean she'd suck chrome off a trailer hitch, do it up the hoop (before somewhere else) and spit in your face?

It has, and releasing this just makes all this "we are following the scientific advice" obviously a lie.
Economical with the truth may be the better definition: look, the science says it's fine but it's not really certain and it's only took two weeks to wait for it.

One of their advisers must be Mystic Meg.
 
Do you mean she'd suck chrome off a trailer hitch, do it up the hoop (before somewhere else) and spit in your face?


Economical with the truth may be the better definition: look, the science says it's fine but it's not really certain and it's only took two weeks to wait for it.

One of their advisers must be Mystic Meg.

I think it would be highly unlikely that you`d actually live to tell the tale.
 
Favourable? You don't think it has? What is the UK doing differently to Spain/Italy/France (being careful to avoid successful countries that minimised the impact of Covid, say Germany)- well they all gave us a two weeks head ups, despite this we did not instigate lock down earlier, nor did we do it as stringently as those countries, and we did not stop flights coming in, we did not track, trace, and isolate cases.
F**king stupid british exceptionilism believing either 1. we wouldn't be affected as badly when videos from Italy were begging us to take it seriously, and we could see the deaths in Wuhan. 2. We seriously didn't care about deaths, with both Boris, and Cummings previous expressing that they (not direct quotes) wished to cull the herd.
Blame the NHS, why? for being financially hamstrung?
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For running a pandemic simulation (Operation Cygnus) that we failed miserably in 2016 as it acknowledged we were under resourced, one that the opposition stated why was it still hidden at the start of April when there was 'only' 400 deaths? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...vernment-publish-findings-2016-pandemic-drill
Do you honestly believe Hancock when he said that care homes were protected?

Nice graph, but I pulled one off the original source showing real spending on Health.... https://www.ifs.org.uk/research/103


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Obviously mine appears to show real money and doesn’t contain any political bias. Now I’ve no idea if either graph is even true or correct. But the latest graph from the IFS doesn’t paint the same picture as you would have me believe.

I can accept all the 20/20 hindsight observations. But I don’t remember anyone jumping up and down screaming that we should be going into lockdown.....
 
Distancing advice in England could change to allow closer contact

Britain’s physical distancing advice to stay 2 metres from other people is a “precautionary approach” and could change to allow closer contact, top officials from Public Health England (PHE) have said.

The guidance is out of line with advice in most other countries and with recommendations from the World Health Organisation, which says people should stay just one metre apart.

“We have taken a precautionary approach to say 2 metres apart, full stop,” said Yvonne Doyle, medical director of PHE in evidence to a hearing of the science and technology committee of MPs. “We are still learning about the virus.”

But, she said, the safe distance is still, being discussed and evidence amassed as the end of lockdown restrictions approaches. Doyle said she was aware that a reduction to 1 metre or 1.5 metres could make the difference between businesses re-opening or not.

“It is an important decision. We are clearly aware of that. We are aware of the requirements of the economy and business. We are aware of the concerns and anxieties of the population. But the science should inform the measures as we go forward,” she said. PHE is contributing to discussions in Sage on the infectivity of the virus in different settings and its transmission on surfaces.

Greg Clark, chair of the committee, pointed out that the UK was going it alone by insisting on a 2 metre separation. “Other countries are recommending a shorter distance,” he said. The WHO, Hong Kong, Singapore, France and China all say 1m apart is enough. Australia, Germany and the Netherlands recommend 1.5m while South Korea opts for the equivalent of 1.4m.

“In international comparisons, we are an outlier at an extreme end of the distancing that is recommended,” he told her.

“We are aware of the international differences,” said Doyle. They would be looking at “whether 2m is actually necessary or could it be reduced further.”

There is already evidence that people are less likely to get infected out of doors, which had fed into the decision to tell the public that they could take more outdoor exercise, she said.

Catherine Noakes, professor of environmental engineering for buildings at the University of Leeds, told the committee that the virus dispersed quickly in the open air. “The chances of you being able to inhale enough in an outdoor environment is very, very small,” she said.

There is very little evidence of outdoor transmission, she said. One study in China showed transmission between two people outside, but they were having a prolonged conversation, which suggested they were not far apart.

People can sit closer if they are back to back or side by side, she said. “We believe at 1m to the side or back you really breathe the air in the room rather than the plume coming out of someone’s mouth,” she told the committee. Passing close by somebody in the street, she added, “the risks are very, very small”.

Professor Andrew Curran, chief scientific adviser at the Health and Safety Executive, said the public needed to be involved in decisions about how they stay safe when they go back to work. Nobody should underestimate the ability of the British public to work things out for themselves, if they are given open and transparent information.

“If you have to resort to PPE, you have essentially given up,” he said.
Does this mean that we aren't murdering people after all. But all these other countries are
 
Ive been in lock down since 15th Feb. Wont be out of it till August, at least.

Hows the grand daughter?

She’s doing really well. I’ve been really impressed the way she has adapted to the lockdown. Schooling is going well and she is improving her knowledge and skills across the board. She’s always tended to negotiate and argue her point of view (No idea where she got that from) but she will probably be appointed Primary School Head when she gets back in a couple of months. I feel sorry for the teachers already......
 
You’d have thought that a combo of
a) alternate weeks for pupils
b) weekly PCR testing of teachers
c) increased cleaning of facilities especially areas like bathrooms where classes overlapped
would have been a decent way to reassure both teachers and parents that safety was being taken seriously yet still address concerns about checking on vulnerable/at risk kids.

They should just read this thread, I thought we nailed this a couple of weeks back...
 
Eustice will have to get the easten Europeans over to pick his fruit asap before this 3 months too late quarantine kicks in.

They're on the "exempt" list.

To be fair, if we can't get enough Brits to pick the crops, then there's not much choice in the matter. Anecdotally, farmers round Preston and Ormskirk aren't seeing much interest from Brits in the seasonal work

Although, on the other hand it makes more financial sense for farmers to employ immigrants and then charge them for board and lodging, so it ain't black and white.
 
I'm sure you've coped with worse mate.

Haha true but i was worried about the number of hospital and ICU beds, i was just checking this https://assets.publishing.service.g...Press_Conference_Slides_-_for_publication.pdf and looked at the daily admissions and researched a bit about our situation, it turned out that we are ranked 50th globally (per capita) with 15000 hospital beds and 2500 ICU beds for a population of 6 millions, i also found out that because of Neil Ferguson and his famous Imperial college study about UK and USA our government secretly built a field hospital expecting huge surge of patients that never came, we currently have 3 patients in ICU with covid.

Neil Ferguson sent the entire globe into lock-down by the way
 
I can accept all the 20/20 hindsight observations. But I don’t remember anyone jumping up and down screaming that we should be going into lockdown.....

*cough*

3 weeks before Johnson the clown finally faced facts.


Unpopular, I know,* but all professional football games in the UK should be immediately be postponed until further notice.

The French have placed a gathering top whack of 5,000 as a figure that cant be allowed to be gone beyond.

How are we, 22 miles away, not following that?
Well by extension of that logic, pretty much every large shopping centre will have more than 5000 folk at the weekend. Pretty much every mainstream professional sport will have more than 5000 at them. And every single arena concert/stand up event will as well.

Lob in the few companies who have work forces circa that, you kinda move into the "slight over reaction" space.
I dont think it is over reaction.

Most shopping centres wont have 5k people in them all at once. Massive malls might. Shut them down. Why wait for it to happen?

We just need to scale everything down in order to slow this thing up.

The time for a big state response is now. The needs of the individual mean nothing under these circumstances. People's "right" to shop and watch footy in a stadium. Pfffft.

 
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