Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Catfish Blues]

We are open for tourists in Greece from July 1st.This is going to be catastrophic I fear.

They are pushing for the Brit market though.

I saw a list of countries on Ekathimerini earlier for July 1st and it doesn't include the UK mate. Speaking to someone in Athens the other day it sounded like the earliest date for Brits was going to be August.

It is a scary idea to be letting people in from areas which currently have a worse infection rate than you have. Much as I'd love to be abroad for a couple of weeks, I can't see us doing it till September ( though, to be honest, I'd always avoid August anyway )

 

[LinekersLegs]

Been saying it for a while, but there is a global reserve of trillions of dollars that could be tapped to pay this off.

Not only the ones you have mentioned but lots of companies and elder folks with retirement funds looking for a safe, steady return just a bit above inflation that you’d think would be willing buyers of some ”coronavirus recovery” bonds.

 

[Barnfred 55]

No you're right, we cannot blame the Government for every misstep, but they do set the strategy for the UK. They should be listening to advice and evidence, challenging and scrutinising.

They were right to change strategy when they did, but they adopted the wrong one to begin with. In the balance of economy vs health, there should only be one winner.

I agree with that.

I knew you wouldn't like the last point and in the ideal world there should only ever be one winner. Unfortunately reality doesn't allow that and at some stage in the battle fiscal restraints will drive decision making. Luckily, as a nation we are able to cope for a while so hopefully it won't come to that with us. But you can already see some countries starting to take risks, especially those who rely on tourism like Greece and Italy. I fully expect Spain to follow suit very shortly.

 

[ramacca]

'All in it together' but 'we want London opened' so we'll spin the bull. No 'new cases' in London, really , that information is as reliable as their 'testing' announcements.

"Lockdown changes being eased in London ahead of other parts of the country was hinted at by Downing Street today.

Focus on the capital comes as Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick announced that he and the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, will co-chair a London Transition Board on how the city might ease its way out of the lockdown process.

The capital reported no new Covid-19 cases in a 24 hours period this week. The prime minister’s official spokesman said that the government had already been clear that some parts of the country could see measures lifted ahead of others.

He said: “What is clear in the plans is that as we are able to gather more data and have better surveillance of the rate of infection in different parts of the country, then we will be able to potentially lift measures quicker in some parts of the country than in others. And equally we will be able to put the breaks on while not having to do so in other parts.”

London is the first region in the country to have an official recovery board however No 10 said they are in regular contact with regional mayors on how they will respond to the easing of lockdown".

 

[BlueStevie35]

Figures have been fully announced 3 hours earlier than normal

Death figure stands at 351 for the day, up 13 on yesterday’s figure

Hospital deaths across the UK is 172, 79 down on yesterday, 121 of which was from English hospitals in itself 66 down on yesterday with all but 3 from the last 10 days

7 day rolling averages stand at 342.14 for all deaths and 197.57 for hospital deaths

With this being a bank holiday weekend, figures will be extremely low till Wednesday most likely

 

[LinekersLegs]

Florida surprises me but for once on the positive side!

 

[Barnfred 55]

On average, roughly 1 in 400 people in the UK is infected at any one time.

So you reckon there are currently 170,000 people infected with the virus in the UK now.? That seems high to me.

How long does the virus remain active in the body mate?. I thought it was only about 7 days. There's probably about 25,000 that have tested positive in the UK in the last 7 days, from probably in the region of 600,000 tests. Given the testing capacity now most people with symptoms will be getting tested. So what you are saying is that there are nearly 150,000 people out there with the virus that are asymptomatic. Or am I over simplifying things?

 

[peteblue]

Sorry for leaving you off there @Bruce Wayne !

I never did like you....

 

[tsubaki]

'All in it together' but 'we want London opened' so we'll spin the bull. No 'new cases' in London, really , that information is as reliable as their 'testing' announcements.

"Lockdown changes being eased in London ahead of other parts of the country was hinted at by Downing Street today.

Focus on the capital comes as Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick announced that he and the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, will co-chair a London Transition Board on how the city might ease its way out of the lockdown process.

The capital reported no new Covid-19 cases in a 24 hours period this week. The prime minister’s official spokesman said that the government had already been clear that some parts of the country could see measures lifted ahead of others.

He said: “What is clear in the plans is that as we are able to gather more data and have better surveillance of the rate of infection in different parts of the country, then we will be able to potentially lift measures quicker in some parts of the country than in others. And equally we will be able to put the breaks on while not having to do so in other parts.”

London is the first region in the country to have an official recovery board however No 10 said they are in regular contact with regional mayors on how they will respond to the easing of lockdown".

I wouldn’t wish violence on anyone, but if the comrades of the popular committees were to batter any ministers and special advisors who “hint” at policy changes during this crisis then they would have my support.

 

[Catfish Blues]

So you reckon there are currently 170,000 people infected with the virus in the UK now.? That seems high to me.

How long does the virus remain active in the body mate?. I thought it was only about 7 days. There's probably about 25,000 that have tested positive in the UK in the last 7 days, from probably in the region of 600,000 tests. Given the testing capacity now most people with symptoms will be getting tested. So what you are saying is that there are nearly 150,000 people out there with the virus that are asymptomatic. Or am I over simplifying things?

It's not my estimate mate, it's the weekly results of the ONS survey

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics

Provisional results from the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey for England. This survey is being delivered in partnership with the University of Oxford, the University of Manchester, Public Health England and Wellcome Trust.

www.ons.gov.uk

... and they reckon about 60,000 people a week were getting infected, leading to about 140k people infected at any one time. When you take into account asymptomatic infections, the fact that it's only very recently that everyone's entitled to a test, and not everyone with symptoms will get a test, it sounds about ballpark right.

I think most people are infectious for just over a week to some degree ( a couple of days before symptoms appear, and then another five to seven days until most recover ).

So some people who've just been infected probably aren't infectious for a couple of days on average ?

 

[COYBL25]

I never did like you....

You are of the reasons that @davek gets up in the morning and I haven’t quite worked out whether that’s a good or bad thing yet lol

 

[Jebus_lives]

I agree with that.

I knew you wouldn't like the last point and in the ideal world there should only ever be one winner. Unfortunately reality doesn't allow that and at some stage in the battle fiscal restraints will drive decision making. Luckily, as a nation we are able to cope for a while so hopefully it won't come to that with us. But you can already see some countries starting to take risks, especially those who rely on tourism like Greece and Italy. I fully expect Spain to follow suit very shortly.

I don't disagree with the need to protect the economy, it is essential for recovery. However, statutorily, and ethically, protection of life should be afforded the highest priority - which are the two measures the Government and anyone else should be using for their strategy.

I'm well versed in decisions about acceptable loss of life and defensible decision making, but they should be applied where there is a dilemma about balancing equivalent demands.

As I made reference to yesterday, and I think it's a really prescient point about where people attach their decision making, protection of human life in these circumstances is always approached with 'wait and see' but the economy always demands 'immediate intervention'.

It's odd to hear, for example, the same voices, confidently declaring the UK can easily survive 'short to medium term' financial disruption caused by a No Deal Brexit absolutely beside themselves at the insistence of 3 months of economic lockdown.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

>80 % had some mild/moderate adverse reaction of fever/fatigue/muscle pain/headache

 

[marnie]

Think it was inevitable with Greece's economy. Problem is you've all been so well sheltered from it too.

Have you seen any of your government hand outs yet mate. I know you said you were still waiting last time you posted about it. Must be over 2 months you are owed now isn't it? Hope you are managing OK.

Not a penny mate.I live in hope.