Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Never seen such a rapid-fire contradiction. I will try my best to mirror your speed now when I reach for the ignore button.

Excellent. Quite interesting that you are on an Everton forum during school hours... since you aren't furloughed like
 
Taking Vitamin D 2000-4000 IU (International Units) is probably worth doing atm.



He has other videos on vitamin D that you can find in his channel.



Another doctor who thinks there is a good chance Vitamin D may help prevent serious illness from Covid-19.

As of yet there haven't been a peer reviewed study of the efficacy of Vitamin D and it's ability to prevent serious illness from Covid-19 but with the strong correlation between the darkness of peoples skin and their increased chances of becoming seriously ill there is a chance that it's the lack of vitamin D that is making people more likely to become seriously ill.

A lot of people in Northern hemisphere countries are Vitamin D deficient so it's worth taking, whatever the colour of your skin.
 
How many and was that due to infection picked up during schooling or from the community?

26 teachers + 10 teaching assistants according to this (plus more deaths of dinner ladies, crossing guards etc):


as for where they caught it, no idea but at least some would have at school
 
Let's have a bit of perspective shall we? Most teachers are under 60 years old. The death rate of people who end up in hospital with COVID19 in people under 60 is 1%, now add in the people who haven't required hospital treatment...

it's hardly like they are being asked to go over the top is it?
There has to be a sensible solution to all this.

Ultimately, if we're to have a good and effective education service, and health service for that matter, we HAVE to protect our economy. We can't go on with this shutdown indefinitely and that means at some stage people need to return to work. At the moment, we are in the fortunate position that the overall decision making is still being driven by heath and science matters, but if the lockdown continues in it's current format, then that will change. And probably sooner rather than later.

For people to return to work, children will also need to return to school. Whether that is June or after the summer holidays, we have to find a way to school our children and deal with coronavirus. The good news, and it is very good news and shouldn't be understated, is that the science shows that our children are safe with the virus. But we still need to work hard to stop the spread of the virus and to protect the health of our teachers. There is no easy solution to this and there will be no perfect answer.

Social distancing (2m) of children in the classroom may not be possible, but I'm sure you could manage 4ft or 5ft distancing. I would imagine current desk spacing pretty much allows that sort of distancing now anyway. Away from the classrooms back to 2m. Classes and lunchtimes could be staggered so people are using the corridors at different times. Where possible use a one way system in corridors. Face masks and gloves can be worn. Regular washing encouraged and hand sanitizer provided in all class rooms. Deep cleaning of schools weekly over the weekend could be done. At risk teachers, ie those older teachers and those with health issues can either work from home or less exposed situations such as offices. Whenever the weathers nice hold some classes outside. I'm sure there are many more measures that can help. None of these measures are ideal, and yes there will still be a risk. But these are difficult times.

There has to be a change in mind set. Instead of looking for reasons not to return, of which I accept there are many, you need to look for ways to mitigate the risks. You also need a more positive outlook. In the vast majority of cases the people in the classrooms will not be COVID positive. Anybody who is, or has the symptoms, will be self isolating along with ALL of their immediate family including their children.

The bottom line here is that, unless the scientists come up with a miracle cure soon, schools have to get back working when the virus is still around, so the government and the teaching profession have to find some way of working with it as safely as POSSIBLE. There has to be an acceptance from teachers and their unions that there will never be a risk free workplace for them until this virus is conquered completely.
 
In one of the scientific advice reports I read, it was a good few weeks ago now but really relevant to this point, is that the current diseases don't just stop because of Covid-19, they are simply interrupted, as with this virus. A big issue is potentially not the possibility of a further outbreak of Covid-19 among young people but more infectious things like Measles (which is much more contagious than Covid) having an outbreak because of the interruption to routine vaccination.

Which is the greater risk?

Indeed. There was a paper published by Imperial this morning highlighting that these kind of things are disproportionately affecting the disadvantaged as well. There are obvious and understandable concerns around returning 'normal' services, but I hope people appreciate the toll the restriction in those services are having.
 
Indeed. There was a paper published by Imperial this morning highlighting that these kind of things are disproportionately affecting the disadvantaged as well. There are obvious and understandable concerns around returning 'normal' services, but I hope people appreciate the toll the restriction in those services are having.
Can you share that?
 
I don't have a distain at all. All jobs have risks. I'd imagine you knew the risks when you decided to become a teacher? Schools are full of germs, so you are more likely to get flu than someone who sits at a desk all day.

Unless you only went into teaching for the good $$$ and extortionate holiday entitlement?

do you share the same concerns for the supermarket staff who are still working to provide you with food who earn considerably less than teachers??
Teachers in the UK aren't paid for their holidays: their salary is instead pro-rata. So? I also believe that shop staff aren't being asked to ignore 2m rule - like they are.

I've worked throughout the crisis in the public sector and not always been able to socially distance, but I've been provided PPE whereas teachers aren't.

That would aggrieve me.
 
As with the school staff here, and I actually appreciate the need because restarting the economy is important when you look at the cost to the treasury.

Nevertheless, I personally feel the relaxation in all sectors is far too soon when you consider the infection and death rate; a little more caution is required.

This is applicable to schools as well because I simply can't see how this won't have an impact to the wider population: staff; families; parents etc.

If the rate is low enough come June 1st or soon after then great, but I get the impression that this initiative is being pushed regardless of the science and numbers.

The main purpose of education is, and has to be, to educate. However given the extraordinary situation we are in I think most teachers can appreciate the necessity of how education provides a place for children to be while adults work. This isn't the 60s when one income could provide for all -- most households require all adults to be out at work to sustain themselves.

However, there is, as you say a clear initiative to bury heads in the sand as to the risks around going back in the numbers mentioned so soon. The Government mention "the science" but have yet to provide anything that suggests it will be anything close to safe for anyone to go back to school in the manner suggested.

In fact the chief scientific advisor of the DfE and Chris Witty have both admitted recently that they have no scientific evidence with a high enough degree of trust to show that children don't spread the illness. Yesterday the ONS showed that all age groups are infected at the same rate. So until you can prove that even if infected, kids aren't spreading it in high numbers (I am not ruling this out but that would be extremely novel and unlike the Flu) then you cannot say you are mitigating risks and thinking about teacher safety. Because how can you perform a risk assessment if you don't understand the risk itself?

Schools need to re-open for more children but they do not need to do so in a way that gambles with so many lives. Get the R down, get the infections down, get PPE and get some actual semblance of testing and tracing capabilities. Simply saying that you can get a test if you have symptoms, as the Government have done, is not enough because by then it is too late for so many.
 
Teachers in the UK aren't paid for their holidays: their salary is instead pro-rata. So? I also believe that shop staff aren't being asked to ignore 2m rule - like they are.

I've worked throughout the crisis in the public sector and not always been able to socially distance, but I've been provided PPE whereas teachers aren't.

That would aggrieve me.
I work in a chocolate factory and we are all given face masks
We can largely social distance
Teachers should be a priority for PPE
 
So he doesnt have a mind of his own? Hes a follower and not a leader then...shouldnt be in a position of authority.
He wasn't included in the early COBRA meetings so how would he get the best possible information to inform his decision?

I'd also suggest, by the logic you've just used, your point applies to most of the Cabinet simply 'following the science' who will have had access to ALL the SAGE information and discussions at COBRA to inform their decision making.
 
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