Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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They're also allowing you to visit your elderly babicka in her retirement home at the end of the month. Presumably that's not a policy you advocate?
300 deaths from Covid19 there as opposed to 55,000 here...I think I'd be happy to let the Czechs call their own shots on what's ok and what's not.

Unbelievable the level of arrogance in this country on what others are or aren't doing when we are living through a catastrophe no other nation is enduring.

Stop your apologies for this government.
 
NHS England announces 186 new Covid-19 deaths:

NHS England has announced 186 new deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 24,345.

Of the 186 new deaths announced today:

– 45 occurred on May 14
– 66 occurred on May 13
– 32 occurred on May 12

The figures also show 39 of the new deaths took place between May 1 and May 11, and four took place in April.
 
Here are a couple of links exploring the relationship with diabetes, the second is a speculative idea (especially fhe Hydroxychloroquine bit) but it has given me extra motivation skip the sugary breakfast and to do my morning exercise!

Type 2 diabetes (T2D) is a major comorbidity of COVID-19. However, the impact of blood glucose (BG) control on the degree of required medical interventions and on mortality in patients with COVID-19 and T2D remains uncertain. Thus, we performed a retrospective, multi-centered study of 7,337 cases of COVID-19 in Hubei Province, China, among which 952 had pre-existing T2D. We found that subjects with T2D required more medical interventions and had a significantly higher mortality (7.8% versus 2.7%; adjusted hazard ratio
, 1.49) and multiple organ injury than the non-diabetic individuals.

Further, we found that well-controlled BG (glycemic variability within 3.9 to 10.0 mmol/L) was associated with markedly lower mortality compared to individuals with poorly controlled BG (upper limit of glycemic variability exceeding 10.0 mmol/L) (adjusted HR, 0.14) during hospitalization. These findings provide clinical evidence correlating improved glycemic control with better outcomes in patients with COVID-19 and pre-existing T2D.

The new coronavirus infects cells by attaching to the surface through a receptor called the angiotensin converting enzyme 2, or ACE2. Both the ACE2 and the virus need sugar molecules bound to their protein for this to work properly.

My idea, which I have described in a peer-reviewed article in the Journal of Medical Virology, is that COVID-19 infection and its severity is influenced by the concentration of sugar-coated virus and the concentration of sugar-coated ACE2 receptors in the lung tissues. The degree and control of the lungs’ immune response may also depend on how much sugar is attached to virus’s spike protein approximately eight to 10 days after symptoms start, which may vary depending on your age and se
...
High blood sugar increases the number of sugar-coated ACE2 receptors in the lungs of diabetic mice. So not only are the number of receptors greater, but also there are more sugars attached to them. This makes it easier for the virus to infect cells. When there is more insulin, or through diet or exercise, there is less sugar, so there are fewer ACE2 receptors and less sugar on each one, and this may reduce the amount of virus getting into the cell.


Being a diabetic myself stress levels alone can raise the blood sugar ....
 
He wasn't included in the early COBRA meetings so how would he get the best possible information to inform his decision?

I'd also suggest, by the logic you've just used, your point applies to most of the Cabinet simply 'following the science' who will have had access to ALL the SAGE information and discussions at COBRA to inform their decision making.

If he saw what happened in Asia...then Europe then he would know you cant jump into a packed crowd on a train.

Its the most obvious thing there can be.

You dont need to attend a meeting to know that.
 
I also agree that the returning of schools is more of an economic measure than an educational one. Do you work in education Phil or am I mistaken? The impression given is that the schools are being asked, rather than ordered to open up. Who would make the decision on that?, the heads, governors or local education departments.
My wife works in a relatively senior role in education. I think the original message was more along the above lines, but her impression is the stance is getting stricter.

For example, there was a document released only yesterday with subtle changes in the language: less 1st June at the earliest and more 1st June is the date.

The LEA, governors/trustees and head teachers have the ultimate responsibility whether to open, based on their risk assessments, but the govt. are pushing it.

I know my wife was involved in a lot of detailed discussions and planning, which have then had to be amended because of the changes coming in the document.

If a school doesn't open, she is unsure how this will pan out, but she is quite happy that Liverpool as an authority have taken a much more robust response.

The 1st will be for key children, Year 6 two weeks later and then two weeks after that they'll see based on continuous risk assessments - Y6, Y1 and R was binned.

The idea that schools in the mainstay do not want to reopen isn't correct: they've been open and are happy to slowly increase numbers, but it has to be measured.

Like my wife said if they bring everyone back too quickly and without adequate PPE, will they have to accept the responsibility for any future legal action?
 
As the Swedish epidemiologist said yesterday, lockdown measures are only ever a stopgap measure to ensure health systems aren't overwhelmed. The problem in Britain seems to be that many regard lockdown measures as something that was supposed to stop the virus dead in its tracks, and we would return to normal after the lockdown ended. I'm not sure that was ever the deal on the table.
Personally thought the purpose of the lockdown threefold, the first was as you say to ensure the existing health system wasn’t overwhelmed by an immediate mass of patients. This seems lt have been largely successful.

The second was to give time to those healthcare systems to expand capacity to care, train workers in “best practices” and ensure that they had the necessary protection. Progress seems to be mixed, especially on the care home front.

The third was to reduce the number of infected to a manageable level so that a test/track/trace system could be effective at minimizing secondary outbreaks post lockdown.

The third seems to be an area that both the UK and US have underinvested in.
 
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As Coronavirus Overruns Russia, Doctors Are Dying on the Front Lines

MOSCOW — Dr. Rimma Kamalova says her hospital’s leadership ignored her warnings about an unexplained pneumonia outbreak back in March. She kept working.

The hospital admitted more than 50 people for planned procedures the day that the staff learned a deceased patient had tested positive for the coronavirus, records show. She kept working.

The hospital was ordered quarantined, with Dr. Kamalova and more than 1,200 other staff members and patients trapped inside. Days later, she grew feverish, but she kept working, relying on her own intravenous line for relief.

“Give yourself a drip, get up, treat, lie down, give yourself another drip, get up, treat,” Dr. Kamalova, head of the rheumatology department at Kuvatova Republican Clinical Hospital in the south-central Russian city of Ufa, said in a telephone interview. “You had no choice.”

Russia is hailing its medical workers as heroes, their photographs plastered on billboards and their stories glamorized on state TV. But as the country develops into one of the global epicenters of the disease, those workers are suffering astonishing levels of infection and death in their ranks.

And as the number of reported coronavirus cases in Russia grows, many fear the worst is yet to come.

A website memorializing health care workers who have died during the pandemic lists more than 180 doctors, nurses, paramedics and others.

At one top Moscow hospital, a department head said that 75 percent of the department’s staff was sick. In St. Petersburg, 1,465 health care workers have caught the virus, the governor said on Wednesday, accounting for more than one in six of the city’s total cases.

Russia’s health minister, Mikhail Murashko, said on Wednesday that 400 Russian hospitals had suffered outbreaks of the coronavirus.

Like their colleagues in much of the rest of the world, many of those doctors and nurses are suffering from a shortage of protective gear and equipment. But Russian health workers are also at the mercy of a convoluted, depersonalized and unforgiving bureaucracy that increasingly appears outmatched by the pandemic.

An internal federal government document obtained by The New York Times illuminated Russia’s lack of preparedness. In late March, regional Russian officials were sounding alarm bells about a drastic undersupply of protective equipment and pervasive confusion about how they were supposed to tackle the virus.



Those problems still have not been fully resolved. Now, six weeks later, even doctors at Moscow’s top hospitals are reporting nearly overwhelming levels of infection among their colleagues.

“I think that, as of today, I know a handful of people who have not been sick,” Dr. Evgeny Zeltyn, a cardiologist at a Moscow hospital, said.

Dr. Zeltyn said he had been lucky: He was at work when he collapsed with a fever of 102 degrees. He received treatment right away, spent the night in his hospital as a patient and was back at work within five days.

“People are fighting,” he said. “People are incredibly tired.”

Doctors say they are hampered not just by a lack of equipment and protective gear but also by a rigid, top-down governing system that discourages initiative and independent thinking. Medical workers who have spoken out have faced pressure from the authorities; three doctors who tangled with their superiors over working conditions fell from windows in recent weeks, though even the Alliance of Doctors, a medical-worker activist group highly critical of the government response, has described those as possible stress-related suicides, not homicides.

“People in administrative positions generally don’t know how to make decisions — they know how to carry out orders,” said the doctor who said that 75 percent of their department was sick, who would speak only anonymously for fear of retribution. “And they keep getting contradictory orders.”

The contradictions in Russia’s coronavirus response start in the Kremlin. A nationwide lockdown came to an end on Tuesday on orders of President Vladimir V. Putin, even as Russia was reporting about 10,000 new cases daily. Its total of 252,245 confirmed infections exceeds that of any other country except the United States.

Russia has reported 2,305 coronavirus deaths, almost certainly an undercount, given widespread reports of faulty testing and other causes of death being recorded for patients who died of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.

Russian officials, however, insist the country is now well prepared, with a large reserve of hospital beds and ventilators, and widespread testing that is identifying many asymptomatic carriers of the virus. They have criticized the Western news media, including The Times, for casting Russia’s pandemic response in an excessively negative light.

The pandemic has also hit doctors and nurses in Western countries, but the number of medical workers’ lives lost in Russia appears disproportionately high as a share of the overall national death toll. In Britain, at least 275 health and social care workers have died, out of a total of more than 30,000 coronavirus-related deaths in the country.

Underlining the risks of Russia’s often chaotic scramble to fight the virus, an intensive care unit caught fire at a St. Petersburg hospital on Tuesday, killing five Covid-19 patients, and a similar blaze at a Moscow hospital on Saturday killed one. The preliminary cause of both fires: an overloaded ventilator.

For much of this year, Russia seemed to be in an enviable position as the pandemic raged through Western Europe. The government appeared to recognize the dangers of the virus early on, closing much of Russia’s 2,600-mile land border with China in January. Two months later, Russia was still recording fewer than 100 new cases a day, and Mr. Putin said the virus was “contained” and the situation “under control.”

But behind the scenes, Russian regional officials were making it clear to the Kremlin that the situation was not under control — and that the medical system was ill equipped to cope with the pandemic, despite having had two months to prepare. By late March, at least 28 of Russia’s 85 regions were reporting severe shortages of protective equipment, ventilators and testing materials, according to a region-by-region list of challenges compiled by the federal Emergency Situations Ministry and dated March 29.

The 24-page document, described earlier by Russia’s Kommersant newspaper, was provided to The Times by the Alliance of Doctors, and confirmed as authentic by the ministry’s press office. The document was prepared as an overview of the regional obstacles in the pandemic response, the ministry said in a statement.

In addition to supply shortages, the document reveals confusion among regional officials over what they were allowed and expected to do to try to limit the spread of the virus. Federal directives carried “diverging interpretations, with diverging indicator criteria and implementation deadlines,” officials in the Tomsk region in Siberia said.

Regions described delays in receiving coronavirus test results and information about travelers from abroad, and confusion about their authority to shut down businesses, limit train travel and punish quarantine violators. Several said they did not know where they would get the money to finance the additional medical expenses.

“Specifics are lacking as to how medical workers working in the hotbed of the epidemic will be paid,” officials from the Vladimir region in central Russia wrote.

A Tomsk government spokeswoman had no immediate comment; Vladimir region did not respond to a request for comment. Two other regions, Mari El and Oryol, said they were now better prepared in terms of protective equipment and hospital beds.

Some doctors have said that financial considerations, coupled with limited protective equipment and leadership failures, helped cause one of Russia’s worst coronavirus outbreaks, the one that trapped Dr. Kamalova and 1,200 others in the hospital in Ufa, in the region of Bashkortostan.

Dr. Kamalova and another department head at the hospital said the signs of an outbreak, such as a spate of pneumonia cases, were apparent well before the quarantine was imposed on April 6. But the hospital continued to admit patients for planned procedures up until April 6, according to records a doctor provided to The Times.

Critics ascribed the decision to admit patients — which ended up exposing more people to the outbreak inside the hospital — to the leadership’s effort to maintain the hospital’s revenues.

“The administration is hostage to the numbers,” the second department head said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. “This was a failure of the system.”

The health ministry of Bashkortostan is investigating reports of earlier cases of pneumonia at the hospital, a spokeswoman for the regional government said. Nine Covid-19 patients have died at the hospital, she said, none of them health workers. She said the government could not comment on any financial motives in the hospital leadership’s actions and noted that the planned patients admitted on April 6 had arrived before the quarantine was put in place.

“Medical workers continued to work in near-wartime conditions,” the spokeswoman said, describing the state of the hospital during quarantine. “The mood has now gotten better and the doctors are prepared to keep working.”

Within days of the lockdown, doctors and nurses started falling ill, according to interviews with five people who were inside the hospital during the quarantine. Wards on the second floor were set aside for sick medical workers, but it was not enough. In one case, patients staged a protest when doctors and nurses were hospitalized in an adjoining room.

Reinforcements arrived from other clinics in the region, and the sick medical workers gave the new arrivals a crash course in treating the coronavirus. Some nurses-turned-patients set intravenous lines on each other rather than entrusting their colleagues from outside clinics to do the job.

“You didn’t realize how this transpires, how bad this can get,” one medical worker said, describing the experience of catching the coronavirus on the job, “when they don’t know what to do about it.”

Sophia Kishkovsky and Oleg Matsnev contributed reporting.
 
Personally thought the purpose of the lockdown threefold, the first was as you say to ensure the existing health system wasn’t overwhelmed by an immediate mass of patients. This seems lt have been largely successful.

The second was to give time to those healthcare systems to expand capacity to care, train workers in “best practices” and ensure that they had the necessary protection. Progress seems to be mixed, especially on the care home front.

The third was to reduce the number of infected to a manageable level so that a test/track/trace system could be effective at minimizing secondary outbreaks post lockdown.

The third seems to be an area that both the UK and US have underinvested in.
The biggest mistake imo was early days we should have been producing our own PPE and the lockdown at least two weeks earlier......many firms contacted the government offering to provide the PPE .....they got no reply.........
 
If he saw what happened in Asia...then Europe then he would know you cant jump into a packed crowd on a train.

Its the most obvious thing there can be.

You dont need to attend a meeting to know that.
And yet the Government didn't stop it nor did they stop large sporting events. There was little to stop any activity whatsoever until lockdown and they had the benefit of full scientific discussions and advice.
 
300 deaths from Covid19 there as opposed to 55,000 here...I think I'd be happy to let the Czechs call their own shots on what's ok and what's not.

Unbelievable the level of arrogance in this country on what others are or aren't doing when we are living through a catastrophe no other nation is enduring.

Stop your apologies for this government.

Not apologies for any government. Merely pointing out that there's no way whatsoever for you to quantify the impact masks has had versus social distancing versus hand hygiene versus closing borders versus numerous other measures. Being an academic man I wouldn't have thought the rudiments of a randomised control trial would need explaining.
 
what do you propose then? Like shut's down completely? for what 2 years?

We have to get real... we have a virus that won't disapear, we have to live with it. Keeping schools shut because a teacher may have a 0.5% chance of dying is not sustainable. People under 60 have more chance of drowning than dying from this.

Are swimming pools permanently closed?

I like the way you make stuff up, I'm a big fan of bollocks, I have two of them myself.

About 400 people drown each year ( that figure ignores about 200 suicides )

In March and April, over 2000 people under 60 have had COVID on their death certificate. So, extrapolating over 12 months, someone under 60 is about 30 times more likely to have a COVID related death than they are to drown.

Even if you ignore the April deaths, it's still about a 12 fold risk.
 
NHS England announces 186 new Covid-19 deaths:

NHS England has announced 186 new deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 24,345.

Of the 186 new deaths announced today:

– 45 occurred on May 14
– 66 occurred on May 13
– 32 occurred on May 12

The figures also show 39 of the new deaths took place between May 1 and May 11, and four took place in April.

Why only 186 deaths here?

 
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