Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

When government policy is claimed to based on it, it should be critiqued otherwise it’s impossible to determine what the government is doing and why.

I’d say that even if it was a purely scientific body and not one that looks very compromised by Cummings et al.

Indeed, and hopefully the announcement of the members of the committee today will be the start of greater transparency around its working.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Going to be interesting to see what comes out if this study as the role of kids in coronavirus spread, and which ones are vulnerable themselves, is very unclear

 

[navidson]

204 deaths in England yesterday - Weekend though so they won't be correct

 

[LinekersLegs]

Helpful explainer

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, the scientific basis that SAGE seem to be utilising here is - https://www.gov.uk/government/group...mergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response

 

[Barnfred 55]

Just out - https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response-membership

Sir Patrick Vallance FMedSci FRS	Government Chief Scientific Adviser
Professor Chris Whitty CB FMedSci	Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser, Department of Health and Social Care
Professor John Aston	Chief Scientific Adviser, Home Office
Professor Wendy Barclay FMedSci	Imperial College London
Professor Phil Blythe	Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Transport
Professor Ian Boyd FRSE	University of St Andrews
Professor Andrew Curran	Chief Scientific Adviser, Health and Safety Executive
Dr Gavin Debrera	Public Health England
Professor Sir Ian Diamond FRSE FBA	National Statistician, Office for National Statistics
Professor Yvonne Doyle CB	Medical Director, Public Health England
Professor John Edmunds OBE FMedSci	London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar FMedSci FRS	Director, Wellcome Trust
Professor Neil Ferguson OBE FMedSci	Imperial College London
Dr Aidan Fowler FRCS	National Health Service England
Professor Julia Gog	University of Cambridge
Dr David Halpern	Behavioural Insights Team, Cabinet Office
Dr Jenny Harries OBE	Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Dr Demis Hassabis FRS	Personal capacity as a data scientist
Professor Peter Horby	University of Oxford
Dr Indra Joshi	NHSx
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau FMedSci	University of Cambridge
Professor Dame Angela McLean FRS	Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence
Professor Graham Medley	London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Professor Andrew Morris FMedSci FRSE	University of Edinburgh
Professor Carole Mundell	Chief Scientific Adviser, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Professor Cath Noakes	University of Leeds
Dr Rob Orford	Welsh Government
Professor Michael Parker	University of Oxford
Professor Sharon Peacock FMedSci	Public Health England
Professor Alan Penn	Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government
Professor Steve Powis FRCP	National Health Service England
Dr Mike Prentice	National Health Service England
Mr Osama Rahman	Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Education
Professor Venki Ramakrishnan PRS	Ex Officio as Chair of DELVE, convened by the Royal Society
Professor Andrew Rambaut FRSE	University of Edinburgh
Professor Tom Rodden	Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Professor Brooke Rogers OBE	Kings College London
Dr James Rubin	Kings College London
Professor Calum Semple	University of Liverpool
Dr Mike Short CBE	Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Trade
Dr Gregor Smith	Scottish Government Chief Medical Officer
Professor Sir David Spieglhalter FRS	University of Cambridge
Professor Jonathan Van Tam MBE	Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Professor Russell Viner PRCPCH	University College London
Professor Charlotte Watts CMG FMedSci	Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Development
Professor Mark Walport FRCP FMedSci FRS	UK Research and Innovation
Professor Mark Woolhouse FRSE	University of Edinburgh
Professor Lucy Yardley	University of Bristol
Professor Ian Young	Northern Ireland Executive
Professor Maria Zambon FMedSci	Public Health England

Not a single person from the private sector and possibly not enough input from academia. What you are looking at there is the principal reason why our government/countries response to this crisis has been poor. Most of those listed will belong to sub groups. I'd like to know the names of those who actually have the ear of the health secretary as you can guarantee they will be the ones delivering the findings of the sub groups.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not a single person from the private sector and possibly not enough input from academia. What you are looking at there is the principal reason why our government/countries response to this crisis has been poor. Most of those listed will belong to sub groups. I'd like to know the names of those who actually have the ear of the health secretary as you can guarantee they will be the ones delivering the findings of the sub groups.

To be fair, my understanding is that SAGE are primarily there for scientific discussions, so you wouldn't expect trade unions (for instance) to be there.

SAGE is responsible for ensuring that timely and coordinated scientific advice is made available to decision makers to support UK cross-government decisions in the Cabinet Office Briefing Room (COBR). The advice provided by SAGE does not represent official government policy.

 

[hirons11]

Scum ridden rags. I haven’t bought a newspaper in years.

Me neither, I don't need a newspaper to tell me how to think - I come on here for that lol

 

[LinekersLegs]

Much smaller % than I would have expected

 

[Barnfred 55]

See my post above mate.

Yeah. Playing catch up with the posts today

I think that line up is shocking mate. It more than confirms everything I feared to be the case.

 

[peteblue]

The London Nightingale hospital is being stood down. Equipment will stay but PPE and Staff moved to other hospitals.

Excellent news.....

 

[Barnfred 55]

But if people are hot desking why does it matter? I’ve found the best way to do it is in ‘communities’. You sit where you like in a certain area etc.

Some people like to sit in the same place. They have their own desk with their own forms sorted in the way they like it done. They have their own pictures of their own kids, their own pens and their own pencil sharpeners, and their own stapler with their own name sellotaped to the bottom, and their own staple remover that if you ever borrow without asking their permission first, you risk having your knuckles rapped by their own ruler.

You try telling her that you are sitting in her seat today because you are hot desking.

Ergo, for hot desking to work, everybody must be agreeable, and won't work in every office set up. It probably works better in modern more automated offices.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah. Playing catch up with the posts today

I think that line up is shocking mate. It more than confirms everything I feared to be the case.

From a scientific perspective, who do you think should be there that isn't?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Rumours bubbling of a further 3 week lockdown - kinell open the barbers Boris atleast

 

[Barnfred 55]

I wouldnt use it, as you say with it being optional it would be useless.

The government can track every single person in the country, they could do their job, I aint doing it for them.

They may be able to track every person in the country, but it doesn't automatically follow that they would be able to use that ability to effectively contact trace. This app gives them that capability.