Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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A workman is only as good as his tools as they say.

However Hancock has shown himself to be seriously out of his depth in handling this and there is an argument that he should be replaced. Obviously you wouldn't normally take such action in the middle of a crisis but we're still early doors in this and he just isn't up to the task.

Deffo agree he should be replaced mate. As you say you wouldn't normally take such action, but in this instance it would be best for the country because he just doesn't inspire confidence.
 
Why? They need to be held to account! They lied, covered it up and have since attacked any nation daring to question them on it.

China has turned to bullying to avoid accountability. It may be working on Europe.

CHINA’S EFFORT to avoid accountability for the novel coronavirus pandemic through a global propaganda campaign seems to be doing as much harm as good for Beijing. Attempts by government officials and state media to cast blame on the United States or other Western countries for the origin and spread of the virus have triggered a backlash; deliveries of humanitarian supplies have led to reports about their poor quality.

Rather than retreat, President Xi Jinping’s regime has turned to a familiar tactic: bullying. Its diplomats are demanding that governments offer praise for China’s handling of the epidemic or censor reports on its failings, and they are threatening consequences if their requirements are not met. Disturbingly, this tactic appears to be working with the European Union.

Last week, a unit inside the European External Action Service dedicated to tracking disinformation completed a report about covid-19 that described Chinese and Russian propaganda. Among other things, it said, accurately, that “China has continued to run a global disinformation campaign to deflect blame for the outbreak of the pandemic and improve its international image.”

When a leak about the report appeared in Politico’s European edition, China’s enforcers got busy. According to the Financial Times, two foreign ministry officials called the E.U. Embassy in Beijing, while a third contacted the E.U. diplomatic headquarters in Brussels. They objected to the conclusion that the Chinese government was spreading disinformation; the Financial Times reported that a senior official told the E.U.’s ambassador in Beijing that “if the E.U. were to follow the U.S. in publicly attacking China, it would be pushed back as the U.S. had been.”

Brussels’s reaction was extraordinary. According to the New York Times, an aide to the E.U.’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, told the disinformation unit to revise its report so that it focused less on Russia and China. Sure enough, when it was finally posted Friday, the account dropped the reference to China’s “global disinformation campaign” as well as a reference to an attempt by the Chinese ambassador in Paris to discredit France’s response to the pandemic.

A spokesman for the External Action Service claimed Monday that there had been a “misperception” of its actions, and that there had been two reports, with the tougher one intended all along for “internal consumption.” That was hard to credit, given an internal email obtained by the Times in which one E.U. analyst accused her superiors of “self-censoring to appease the Chinese Communist Party.” And why prepare two versions, if not to avoid Beijing’s wrath?

The Xi regime’s campaign to suppress Western reporting and commentary about its coronavirus record is escalating. It recently expelled journalists from The Post, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. Its diplomats demanded a public statement by the German government praising its coronavirus management. Its ambassador in Australia threatened the country with an economic boycott if the government did not stop asking for an investigation of the origin and handling of covid-19 in China. The response to such belligerence cannot be appeasement and censorship.
 
As ever, can't take anything online at face value but deaths based on symptoms/probability without testing...

Deaths associated to pneumonia, flu etc down comparatively to previous years - makes you wonder just how big the margin of error is for deaths.




From 2 days ago:

Death recording differences:

There are some differences between the way the ONS and the CQC collect data. The ONS figures are based on registered deaths, where Covid-19 was noted on the death certificate, whereas the CQC ones are derived from notifications made by providers reporting that a person’s death involved the disease.

It is possible that some deaths reported by providers may not be based on a diagnosis, and may not end up being registered as involving Covid-19.

The CQC figures are dated by the time that the provider notified the regulator, whereas the ONS deaths are based on the date of death. The regulator’s figures are also likely to be provided more quickly as providers must notify the CQC of deaths without delay and they are typically provided within two to three days, while it takes, on average, four days for a death to be registered and thus recorded in the ONS figures.

The ONS and CQC figures include people without a positive test for Covid-19; however, the daily figures that the government will publish from care homes and the community, as well as hospital, from tomorrow will only include those of people who have had a positive test.
 
What a day we had yesterday my mother in law has slight dementia & Alzheimer's had a slight fall the lock down recently even with 4 Carers per day has got to her - she can't understand fully why my wife who does all her shopping has to social distance .....so yesterday pm she hit the buzzer and an ambulance was out in speedy time they spent two hours accessing her .....My wife was informed that their was no bruises to indicate a fall etc ......then at the very last minute decided to take her to hospital ......with A&E being sparce she was in a ward so quick and a doctor seen her pronto .....
He then assessed her as being A1 ......
My wife then recieved a telephone call come and pick her up .....and spend the night with her ....
She explained about her dementia as she did not live with her .......and I was a vulnerable person with grade Three kydney desease also they took her in for x ray etc ......
She had to tell them about social distancing and told the boss of the Carers who was horrified,they are now sorting out her return home.......
It's very worrying when a ward in a hospital just wanted rid after an ambulance crew had taken their decision to hospitalise her in the first place .......? Without even a X Ray after an alleged fall.....

Keep strong Joey and I hope you are all ok......
 
so sorry to hear that joey
Admittedly it took me 4 attempts to understand it and i can only assume you meant a Vulnerable person and not a avunera le person lolL
Hopefully your mother in law will be OK
She's been moved to a more suitable ward now , and the Carers are sorting her return home at 86 years young she is now probably susceptible to Covid 19..,.. that's now the worry .... she told them how she fell & she was getting ready for a nice drive out for the day with my wife ....which was obviously not the case......its a sad state of affairs tbh.....
 
Airlines are possibly the worst business to be in atm, how on earth do they recover?

No lifting of lockdown will get passengers back on planes, social distancing could be here a long time.

Hopefully the American pharma giant Gilead or the GlaxoSmithKline backed Oxford group will meet their most optimistic target and everything goes perfectly and we do get a vaccine in mass production by the end of the year. This is super optimistic though although early results are encouraging (only on animals so far for the Oxford research team).

Even if this rosy scenario happens, airlines won't get back to normal for a year to 18 months. There will be huge job losses, that's inevitable if noone is using them.
They have started trials on humans as of last week
 
The face mask will be free but the plastic bag it comes in will be £79.99.
Totally off topic
A mate of mine and his wife were flying Ryan Air
She asked for a cup of hot water as she had her own herbal tea bag
Was told they could not sell her hot water due to health and safety
They sold her a cup of tea with the tea bag on the side for 2,50 euro
 
Totally off topic
A mate of mine and his wife were flying Ryan Air
She asked for a cup of hot water as she had her own herbal tea bag
Was told they could not sell her hot water due to health and safety
They sold her a cup of tea with the tea bag on the side for 2,50 euro
Take a look on purchasing a mask = best of luck.......they mainly come from China......
 
China has turned to bullying to avoid accountability. It may be working on Europe.

CHINA’S EFFORT to avoid accountability for the novel coronavirus pandemic through a global propaganda campaign seems to be doing as much harm as good for Beijing. Attempts by government officials and state media to cast blame on the United States or other Western countries for the origin and spread of the virus have triggered a backlash; deliveries of humanitarian supplies have led to reports about their poor quality.

Rather than retreat, President Xi Jinping’s regime has turned to a familiar tactic: bullying. Its diplomats are demanding that governments offer praise for China’s handling of the epidemic or censor reports on its failings, and they are threatening consequences if their requirements are not met. Disturbingly, this tactic appears to be working with the European Union.

Last week, a unit inside the European External Action Service dedicated to tracking disinformation completed a report about covid-19 that described Chinese and Russian propaganda. Among other things, it said, accurately, that “China has continued to run a global disinformation campaign to deflect blame for the outbreak of the pandemic and improve its international image.”

When a leak about the report appeared in Politico’s European edition, China’s enforcers got busy. According to the Financial Times, two foreign ministry officials called the E.U. Embassy in Beijing, while a third contacted the E.U. diplomatic headquarters in Brussels. They objected to the conclusion that the Chinese government was spreading disinformation; the Financial Times reported that a senior official told the E.U.’s ambassador in Beijing that “if the E.U. were to follow the U.S. in publicly attacking China, it would be pushed back as the U.S. had been.”

Brussels’s reaction was extraordinary. According to the New York Times, an aide to the E.U.’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, told the disinformation unit to revise its report so that it focused less on Russia and China. Sure enough, when it was finally posted Friday, the account dropped the reference to China’s “global disinformation campaign” as well as a reference to an attempt by the Chinese ambassador in Paris to discredit France’s response to the pandemic.

A spokesman for the External Action Service claimed Monday that there had been a “misperception” of its actions, and that there had been two reports, with the tougher one intended all along for “internal consumption.” That was hard to credit, given an internal email obtained by the Times in which one E.U. analyst accused her superiors of “self-censoring to appease the Chinese Communist Party.” And why prepare two versions, if not to avoid Beijing’s wrath?

The Xi regime’s campaign to suppress Western reporting and commentary about its coronavirus record is escalating. It recently expelled journalists from The Post, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. Its diplomats demanded a public statement by the German government praising its coronavirus management. Its ambassador in Australia threatened the country with an economic boycott if the government did not stop asking for an investigation of the origin and handling of covid-19 in China. The response to such belligerence cannot be appeasement and censorship.
What was the source of that mate?

I'm always cynical of anything in the media that appears too heavily one sided. This article is so heavily anti China and anti EU it could have been written by Donald Trumps speech writer. It could be true, but I wouldn't take it as gospel.

People in general are far too quick to latch onto stories and articles that match their own views, and the media plays on this.
 
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