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Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Thought you said it was made in a lab.
Again though,
MERS first observed in a camel herder in a sparse area of Saudi Arabia, a country in which 50% of the population was not allowed to travel outside of the country independently until a few months ago and tourism has never been truly looked at as an industry until recently.
SARS first observed in rural China during a time where international travel in and out of the country was far more limited.
COVID-19 first observed in a city with international airport, at a time of year with increased travel due to Christmas/Christmas, with a far higher level of international travel than during SARS.
If SARS had originated in the same location as COVID-19, with the same travelling conditions, then it would be just as likely to spread. Just because we've lucked out with the previous 2 diseases occurring in more globally isolated areas does not suggest that this has manufactured.
And the whole bat stir fry thing is coming across mega racist btw.
Looks like we’ve a bit to do yet! Yikes.
I would look at the links you posted in a different way to be honest, if suspected, why weren't they tested - how accessible is testing is care homes? What is the criteria to be tested in the community/care homes? If people haven't been tested then and are suspected covid - are these homes putting in place droplet precautions, isolating and using PPE - to protect themselves and others? Is there availability of medical personal in these care homes to make an accurate diagnosis or determine what the cause of death is? There are a number of things around the process and the infrastructure that are worrying and concerning.
Ive looked at what a few countries are doing in care homes, if someone dies with suspected/covid, some countries are testing even after a RIP, the principal is to protect other residents and staff - is this happening in the UK. Most countries have a protocol in place, that anyone who dies suspected of covid is automatically referred to the Coroner to determine the cause of death (even if a Doctor is on site) as this has huge implications in terms of funeral arrangements, under takers - health and safety of the general public - there are whole protocols around dealing with someone who has died after covid and how funeral arrangements can take place safely. Ultimately its the coroners call.
Over here and we have dropped the ball with our nursing homes admittedly - we are now testing everyone staff and patients in a nursing home or work with anyone in health care in the vulnerable category - palliative patients etc universally, regardless if they have or are showing any symptoms of covid or are otherwise well, ive been tested myself just on the basis that i work in health care with an risk group. Our nursing home RIPs are over 40% of our total RIP figures.
Part of my concern in accurate recording of care home deaths, is if you run a private nursing home and have an outbreak, that has very real reputational and economic consequences if that becomes public in the local area, a concern of mine would be a pressure not to identify a case as covid for these very real reasons and the mass panic it might cause other residents family's.
Im a little bit confused on what actually happening in care homes in the UK - despite the "transparency", most European countries have 40-50% of RIP in care homes of their total RIPs, it deifies any type of reason or logic that the UK has just 4-5k given its one of the worst hit countries for Covid and the difficulties it has had, in testing and contact tracing outside of hospitals and generally getting on top of it in the community.
I saw the UK government minister the other night saying 4-5k of the total care home deaths were the ones that "tested positive" for Covid - i thought fair enough - we know the figure is far higher - but if that is the criteria you can accept that given it took them so long to have any type of figure. However if it is true they are also reporting "suspected covid" RIP's - then the infrastructure is really poor - as there are clearly more, as that is what we have seen everywhere else.
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It's a small bike is it the one your parents bought for you?
It's a small bike is it the one your parents bought for you?
Can you guess who is the normal sized human, and which is me?
ForeverBlue92
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Can you guess who is the normal sized human, and which is me?
One on the right has a nice arse tbf
Agent Blue
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They are saying this as well..."The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”
Proving China started this could start a War, Trump doesn't do treading carefully, his intelligence services do.
U.S. Intel Confirms Investigation of Wuhan Lab Leak as COVID-19 Source
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a statement on Thursday saying officials "will continue to rigorously examine emerging information" to verify the virus' origin site.www.newsweek.com
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lolLike the known knowns and the unknown knowns crap we were subjected to, and all of those WMD's that were stashed all over Iraq and literally pallet loads of dollars flown in to be used as bribes that were unaccountable.
This is complete nonsense. We are under-reporting covid-19 deaths not over-reporting. Institute of Actuaries puts total deaths at around 45,000 to the middle of this week.
The death certificates won’t necessarily tell the full story, but total deaths compared to the figure it would have been without Covid-19 will.
The story is horrific - last week deaths were at 244% of the level they would otherwise have been.
What a day we had yesterday my mother in law has slight dementia & Alzheimer's had a slight fall the lock down recently even with 4 Carers per day has got to her - she can't understand fully why my wife who does all her shopping has to social distance .....so yesterday pm she hit the buzzer and an ambulance was out in speedy time they spent two hours accessing her .....My wife was informed that their was no bruises to indicate a fall etc ......then at the very last minute decided to take her to hospital ......with A&E being sparce she was in a ward so quick and a doctor seen her pronto .....
He then assessed her as being A1 ......
My wife then recieved a telephone call come and pick her up .....and spend the night with her ....
She explained about her dementia as she did not live with her .......and I was a vulnerable person with grade Three kydney desease also they took her in for x ray etc ......
She had to tell them about social distancing and told the boss of the Carers who was horrified,they are now sorting out her return home.......
It's very worrying when a ward in a hospital just wanted rid after an ambulance crew had taken their decision to hospitalise her in the first place .......? Without even a X Ray after an alleged fall.....
He then assessed her as being A1 ......
My wife then recieved a telephone call come and pick her up .....and spend the night with her ....
She explained about her dementia as she did not live with her .......and I was a vulnerable person with grade Three kydney desease also they took her in for x ray etc ......
She had to tell them about social distancing and told the boss of the Carers who was horrified,they are now sorting out her return home.......
It's very worrying when a ward in a hospital just wanted rid after an ambulance crew had taken their decision to hospitalise her in the first place .......? Without even a X Ray after an alleged fall.....
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Black African Brits face 'triple' virus death rate.
Coronavirus patients from black African backgrounds in England and Wales are dying at more than triple the rate of white Britons, a study suggests.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said a higher proportion of people from ethnic minority backgrounds live in areas hit harder by Covid-19.
However, they tend to be younger on average, so should be less vulnerable.
But the report found various black, Asian and minority ethnic groups were experiencing higher per capita deaths.
Coronavirus patients from black African backgrounds in England and Wales are dying at more than triple the rate of white Britons, a study suggests.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said a higher proportion of people from ethnic minority backgrounds live in areas hit harder by Covid-19.
However, they tend to be younger on average, so should be less vulnerable.
But the report found various black, Asian and minority ethnic groups were experiencing higher per capita deaths.
That could be anyone , and certainly not the didddy bike you posted on here....lol
Can you guess who is the normal sized human, and which is me?
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Hope she's doing well Joey, and your good self of course.
I myself have spent far longer than 2 hours trying to access a lady without success so I know how frustrating it can be.
@COYBL25 - good luck.
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You are correct Bri in that you can only confirm numbers for those that have been actually tested. But we know that anybody who died in hospital has been tested and that accounts for the majority. Nursing homes are also now being tested so we're getting a more accurate figure from that source going forward.
As regards deaths in care homes and the community prior to testing, the UK had a policy of recording suspected CV-19 on death certificates where the deceased had "shown" symptoms of the disease. In my opinion, this meant that the UK, if anything, was over estimating suspected virus related deaths rather than the other way around, and you would need a very strong argument to convince me otherwise.
So yes, we don't know the true number of deaths linked to covid-19, but at least here in the UK we are we are doing our best to make sure nothing slips through the net. Of course in making that statement, I'm completely disregarding the shambolic level of testing we saw in the first few weeks. But I put this down to the protectionism within PHE rather than any desire by the authorities to cover up deaths.
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SARS and MERS presented differently and were thus easier to stop. SARS for example was only infectious whilst patients were symptomatic so they were easier to isolate.
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