Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Thanks for the explanation. I was referring to the German data in the Euromomo that @Catfish Blues provided a link to that seems to be one of the best sources for European data on excess deaths that are a way of seeing the full impact on a country of Covid that may not be reflected in the coronavirus data. I wonder if the other 14 Bundesländer report their data separately to Euromomo or if it can be found elsewhere.

Ok, I understand what you mean now. Germany, maybe similar to USA, is governed mostly at Landesebene (state-level), so each Bundesland decides what it wants to do, even with rules concerning the new coronavirus, and with how businesses/workers are supported. Only major stuff like Grundgesetz (Constitution) and other ground rules concerning taxes/rights etc are governed at Bundesebene (national level).

So an outfit like Euromomo would have to ask each Bundesland to be a data-partner, whereas with other EU countries it would ask them at national level. UK is also a sort of exception where it has 4 individual entities as data-partners for Euromomo, but they all seem to have accepted. Germany mostly plays things considered and doesn't jump on the latest methods, so I guess the other 14 Bundesländer just weren't interested in providing Euromomo with data, or they are waiting out to see if it may be useful in the future.
 
Ok, I understand what you mean now. Germany, maybe similar to USA, is governed mostly at Landesebene (state-level), so each Bundesland decides what it wants to do, even with rules concerning the new coronavirus, and with how businesses/workers are supported. Only major stuff like Grundgesetz (Constitution) and other ground rules concerning taxes/rights etc are governed at Bundesebene (national level).

So an outfit like Euromomo would have to ask each Bundesland to be a data-partner, whereas with other EU countries it would ask them at national level. UK is also a sort of exception where it has 4 individual entities as data-partners for Euromomo, but they all seem to have accepted. Germany mostly plays things considered and doesn't jump on the latest methods, so I guess the other 14 Bundesländer just weren't interested in providing Euromomo with data, or they are waiting out to see if it may be useful in the future.
Presumably all Bundesländer would make regular reports on fatalities to the German Health department or equivalent. I wonder if they publish their figures anywhere, even if it is delayed.
 
virus has about 400 strains in UK.

That is someone pulling numbers out of their arse. To know something like that would take immense scientific research.

Two strains have been sequenced, a third one is generally accepted to be equally distinct. Some talk now of there being more, perhaps several dozen, but unclear if there is meaningful distinction between them (other than the three main groups). Waiting on further research.
 
:eek: That is a large asymptotic rate
BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter. The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.
 
Obesity may be one of the most important predictors of severe coronavirus illness, new studies say. It’s an alarming finding for the United States, which has one of the highest obesity rates in the world. Though people with obesity frequently have other medical problems, the new studies point to the condition in and of itself as the most significant risk factor, after only older age, for being hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus. Young adults with obesity appear to be at particular risk, studies show.

The research is preliminary, and not peer reviewed, but it buttresses anecdotal reports from doctors who say they have been struck by how many seriously ill younger patients of theirs with obesity are otherwise healthy. No one knows why obesity makes Covid-19 worse, but hypotheses abound.

Some coronavirus patients with obesity may already have compromised respiratory function that preceded the infection. Abdominal obesity, more prominent in men, can cause compression of the diaphragm, lungs and chest capacity. Obesity is known to cause chronic, low-grade inflammation and an increase in circulating, pro-inflammatory cytokines, which may play a role in the worst Covid-19 outcomes.
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One of the largest U.S. studies to identify obesity as a prominent risk factor analyzed data from more than 4,000 Covid-19 patientswho sought care at NYU Langone Health between March 1 and April 2.

“Obesity is more important for hospitalization than whether you have high blood pressure or diabetes, though these often go together, and it’s more important than coronary disease or cancer or kidney disease, or even pulmonary disease,” said Dr. Leora Horwitz, the paper’s senior author and director of the Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science at NYU Langone.

Obesity also appears to be a factor for higher risk of death from Covid-19, though to a lesser degree, Dr. Horwitz said. She cautioned that the findings were preliminary, noted that some of the data was still incomplete and emphasized that the paper had not been peer reviewed.
 
Presumably all Bundesländer would make regular reports on fatalities to the German Health department or equivalent. I wonder if they publish their figures anywhere, even if it is delayed.

Every 24 hours data is forwarded thus:

Hospitals etc -> local health office -> respective Bundesland Ministry -> RKI (Robert Koch Institut).

The RKI then display these numbers for media and the public to see. Every day the RKI, alongside national government ministers, give a press conference on the state of affairs.

The numbers are pretty accurate, and updated regularly. Just that with Euromomo: 14 out of 16 Bundesländer aren't partaking in their data-partnership (which requires a written contract).
 
Every 24 hours data is forwarded thus:

Hospitals etc -> local health office -> respective Bundesland Ministry -> RKI (Robert Koch Institut).

The RKI then display these numbers for media and the public to see. Every day the RKI, alongside national government ministers, give a press conference on the state of affairs.

The numbers are pretty accurate, and updated regularly. Just that with Euromomo: 14 out of 16 Bundesländer aren't partaking in their data-partnership (which requires a written contract).
What does Germany do with non hospital (eg nursing home, family home etc) deaths, any idea? New York has recently done a massive restatement of their figures given a surge in fatalities at home, a significant percentage pf which they have classified as due to coronavirus.
 
Hate to say it, but only full lockdown will stop this spread; the net reproductive rate of this virus is about 2.2, which is way to high.

I did a search for the whole thread of who mentioned the reproductive rate and your post was the only one mentioning it...which surprised me, as it's a big deal.

Big update from RKI, who in todays' presser now class it as 0.7...at least in Germany. Social distancing and soft-lockdown measures do play their part in getting this number down from the 2.2.
 
I have no idea what this is even supposed to imply.

The same reason when Trump and NATO came to the UK recently there was suddenly an equidistant running club doing all day laps round Trafalgar Square, Westminster and the Mall, and mysteriously there wasn't one before or after he was there
 
What does Germany do with non hospital (eg nursing home, family home etc) deaths, any idea?

I don't know for sure, but would assume they, like the hospitals, are also part of the bureaucratic system which gives numbers to their local health offices every 24 hours. There'll be a process in place. I read something about UK not having such a process in place for their nursing homes, but I've noticed in different regional news items here in Germany there's always reports on such-and-such nursing home reporting numbers, so it sounds like they're part of the system and thus part of the overall numbers we see from RKI.
 
The same reason when Trump and NATO came to the UK recently there was suddenly an equidistant running club doing all day laps round Trafalgar Square, Westminster and the Mall, and mysteriously there wasn't one before or after he was there
An equidistant running club. Right, and for a layman that would be?
 
:eek: That is a large asymptotic rate
BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter. The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.

The data on the Navy ship was similar...lots of asymptomatic positives


Found it. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/16/8365...-roosevelt-skipper-who-complained-about-coron

More than 650 of the crew have tested positive for the coronavirus. "What's disconcerting is a majority of those — 350 plus — are asymptomatic," Esper said on NBC. "So it has revealed a new dynamic of this virus — that it can be carried by normal, healthy people who have no idea whatsoever that they're carrying it."
 
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