You mean China were lying about it all along?? I don't believe in nothing no more
Germany and South Korea manged to successfully and quickly do itIs it possible to accurately contact trace in a country as big as Britain? I'm only thinking out loud here and really have no idea. It just sounds very difficult to actually do in practice in countries with lots of movement and high populations?
If the value of the house you are selling drops then you can reasonably expect the value of the house you intend to buy to drop by the same PERCENTAGE valueThe one we are in now is our first home so spent a good few years renting to save up for it. Nice house but too small for if we have a 2nd child - I expect it to be worth more than what we paid for it originally but in the midst of all this God knows what the markets going to be like in the next few years.
I think its a well known fact that most cyclists are knobheads ,so that would explain a lot lolI've had the opposite reaction from people mate. I'm walking so not sure whether being on a bike is making a difference. Me and the missus have been taking long walks in the countryside around our village using a combination of public pathways and roads.
One day we were on the return leg of a circular walk that takes in a local beach. We had just left a public footpath and joined a country road. I had a fair idea where we were but thought I'd better just check the map to make sure we don't start walking the wrong way. No sooner had I opened up the map that a lady in a passing car stopped, wound down her window and asked us if we needed help.
A couple of days later, we were doing another circular walk when we were on a country road at a tiny hamlet with 3/4 houses. I was having trouble finding a public footpath that would take us back to our village and had the map out looking. We heard what we thought was a woman's voice calling out. It kept calling and it turned out to be a young lad who couldn't have been more than 10, calling from one of the gardens, and he was asking us if we were lost. Yes my missus answers. No I replied, we're just trying to find the footpath back to the village. You've past it he said, and then proceeded to show us where it was, which was about 30 feet away.
Generally, people we've come across on our walks have been very pleasant, and whilst we haven't exactly stood around chatting everybody has said hello or something similar.
ROI now has an R rate of 0.9 which is heading in the right directionI did a search for the whole thread of who mentioned the reproductive rate and your post was the only one mentioning it...which surprised me, as it's a big deal.
Big update from RKI, who in todays' presser now class it as 0.7...at least in Germany. Social distancing and soft-lockdown measures do play their part in getting this number down from the 2.2.
SecurityAn equidistant running club. Right, and for a layman that would be?
If the value of the house you are selling drops then you can reasonably expect the value of the house you intend to buy to drop by the same PERCENTAGE value
If you are buying a dearer house ,this will mean you will have to add less to your sale price to achieve your purchase price of the new property,than you previously would have
Along with the vaccine they should be given a roll of tinfoil and a printed set of instructions on how to make a hat from itit's just human nature. historically there's been quite a few shady fascistic governments the world over, then you've got recent history of western governments lying to protect globalist/US interests (Iraq invasion, Assange etc), then combine that with a respected classic literature of predictive dystopic fiction (1984 etc) with the modern marvel of www communications, add a bit of youtube deleting David Icke videos and in the soup you've got a predictable, even understandable, sceptism.
i understand the sceptics, and none of us can say for certain that there aren't any hidden truths to this particular story...but personally i recommend the official take on this one, and try to coax the conspiracy-theory advocates to at least accept what we see in front of us.
but i understand them...i think gentle but persistent logic is the way to go to get these folk onside.
Well it happened on a massive worldwide scale in the financial crash of 2008 and there was SFA any capitalist Government could do to stop itAs long as you are mortgage free should be ok. However, if property price falls and there is borrowing, that borrowing won't be falling
We've not really had to worry negative equity for decades. Scorched earth policy anyone hoping for crash.
Almost guarantee with housing crash either deposit needed will rise and/or mortgage rates will rise. Lenders won't be exposed to any more risk, and will seek opportunities for greater profit.
It will the last thing any sitting government that subscibes to capitalsm will allow to happen, it will be absolute carnage politically
I bet all them lab workers were over 21 lolI think at this point its pretty obvious it hasnt come from a food market.
My first thought was a lab...then there was the revelation that there was exactly that lab in wuhan.
Theres a reason why the Chinese have been covering this up from the beginning...and its not because of one person being infected at a food market and passing it on.
They are really taking advantage now though...charging 4 times the price of medical equipment and demanding other trade deals to be included.
Its utterly despicable. The world should isolate them after this mess.
We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult
For those pinning their hopes on a COVID-19 vaccine to return life to normal, an Australian expert in vaccine development has a reality check — it probably won't happen soon.
The reality is that this particular coronavirus is posing challenges that scientists haven't dealt with before, according to Ian Frazer from the University of Queensland.
Professor Frazer was involved in the successful development of the vaccine for the human papilloma virus which causes cervical cancer — a vaccine which took years of work to develop.
He said the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't great at protecting.
And while we have vaccines for seasonal influenza, HPV and other diseases, creating a new vaccine isn't as simple as taking an existing one and swapping the viruses, said Larisa Labzin, an immunologist from the University of Queensland.
"For each virus or different bacterium that causes a disease, we need a different vaccine because the immune response that's mounted is different," Dr Labzin told ABC Science.
The challenge of respiratory infections
There are several reasons why our upper respiratory tract is a hard area to target a vaccine.
"It's a separate immune system, if you like, which isn't easily accessible by vaccine technology," Professor Frazer told the Health Report.
Despite your upper respiratory tract feeling very much like it's inside your body, it's effectively considered an external surface for the purposes of immunisation.
"It's a bit like trying to get a vaccine to kill a virus on the surface of your skin."
Your skin, and the outer layer of cells in your upper respiratory tract act as a barrier to viruses, stopping them getting into the body.
And finding a way to neutralise the virus "outside" of the body is very difficult.
This is partly because only the outer layer of cells (the epthelial cells) get infected, which, compared to a severe infection of internal organs doesn't produce the same immune response, so is harder to target.
It's hard to produce a successful vaccine if the virus isn't activating a strong immune response.
And if a vaccine elicits an immune response that misses the target cells, the result could potentially be worse than if no vaccine was given.
"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," Professor Frazer said.
"So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."
What's the story with antibodies?
Antibodies are proteins that are released by the immune system to neutralise a threat, like a virus.
We've so far found with coronavirus that those infected have had different antibody responses, some weak, some strong.
The ABC has received many questions around how long immunity lasts and whether someone can be reinfected.
So is antibody response critical to whether or not a vaccine is going to work?
To answer this we have to go back to what we know about coronaviruses that cause the common cold, according to Professor Frazer.
"Yes, you get antibodies after a [cold] infection, and yes it lasts for a while, but it's not lifelong... sort of months rather than years," he said.
"I think it would be fair to say that the natural immunity that you get after infection from this coronavirus is probably going to turn out like the coronaviruses we've seen in the past.
"The good news is that if you get reinfected with the virus a second time some months down the track, there will probably be enough immunity there to stop you becoming seriously ill."
What are the vaccine options?
At the moment, teams around the world are deploying different technologies in vaccine development, from killing the virus and using it in the vaccine like we do with influenza, to using messenger RNA to prompt the infected cells to produce antibodies.
But the reality of vaccine development is that many fail before a successful one is developed.
Professor Frazer's prediction is that the most likely candidate will be a vaccine that uses a part of the virus attached to a chemical to induce an immune response, or "subunit" vaccine.
"That [vaccine type] has been successful in animal models for coronaviruses in the past and that is of course where the money is being put in large measure at the moment," he said.
"Another sort of vaccine would be just antibody transferred from somebody who had been infected already and had got rid of the infection.
"Which would be an immunological means of preventing infection, and could probably be more quickly developed than an actual vaccine."
This sort of vaccine was tested with SARS in 2003 and resulted in reinfected lab monkeys having a nasty immune response, which is why many groups working on a vaccine for Sars-CoV-2 are going for a very specific antibody response.
Professor Frazer said the narrow, targeted approach is fine, unless you pick the wrong specific antigen — the substance that stimulates an immune response which antibodies bind to — in which case you could end up with the same problem.
Will we ever get a vaccine?
We don't yet have vaccines against any coronaviruses in humans, in part due to the challenges of developing vaccines for viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.
There are a lot of vaccine experiments going on around the world at the moment trying to change that though, including some in human trials.
While this gives us the best possible chance of getting a successful vaccine, it also highlights that there isn't an obvious winner yet, said Professor Frazer.
"I think it would be fair to say even if we get something which looked quite encouraging in animals, the safety trials in humans will have to be fairly extensive before we would think about vaccinating a group of people who have not yet been exposed to the virus.
"They might hope to get protection but certainly wouldn't be keen to accept a possibility of really serious side effects if they actually caught the virus."
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