Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I've seen these a few times when I've been driving through MK, it's bizarre to see them just driving down the path on the way to their destination but they seem pretty solid and reliable.

Yeah,first I've ever heard of them, they look like they belong on the streets of somewhere like Tokyo rather than MK.
 
What are you talking about???

The right strategy is the current one, turned off and on when the infection rate peaks and runs low. Yes, the correct strategy is to play this out as long as possible, until we get a vaccine if need be, but not locking down the country for years in the interim.

The wrong strategy - and the one criticised initially and why we're now one of the worst countries in Europe to be hit by this - was the "do nothing" mitigate one.

Which is exactly what Witty was saying from the very start. Lockdown is needed, but it can only work in short bursts, so has to be used judiciously, and at the time, he didn't think it was time to use it. Taleb is an entertaining writer, but his background is in financial risk, so I just find it utterly bewildering that people are taking his words above those of people who have spent decades tackling pandemics around the world. The hubris is simply staggering.
 
I've seen these a few times when I've been driving through MK, it's bizarre to see them just driving down the path on the way to their destination but they seem pretty solid and reliable.

Went out to their HQ in Tallinn a few years ago. Interesting place. It's perhaps fair to say that they perhaps hoped that adoption would have been a bit faster than it has been. MK is kind of a test bed for this kind of thing so it's no surprise to see them there, but they used to be a common sight around our neighbourhood, and I haven't seen one in ages.
 
"The real policy choice is actually whether you lock down indefinitely (with great social and economic damage, and always imperfectly, so that many will die anyway) and wait for a vaccine (that you may never get to), or you attempt to isolate only the most vulnerable and manage the rest of the population to achieve herd immunity naturally.

Complete isolation of the vulnerable (effectively taking them all to medical camps based on government decree) is just not possible in Western societies, and open ended economic closure is just not possible anywhere.

So the only practical policy balance, at least in the West, is a short, temporary shutdown to rapidly buld emergency care capacity, then a reopening and progression to herd immunity, hopefully accelerated by a vaccine and if and when it emerges, making use of the massively expanded care capacity and enforcing selective isolation"


= not a herd immunity strategy, apparently

There's a massive and real difference between washing your hands and social distance while all businesses, industry and most sport (Cheltenham) just carries on ...


and


the way forward I envisaged..


"Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.

Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time."

The two are nothing like identical while both maybe called the same name it's apples and pears.

A very gradual and limited release for part of the population some time after the peak has passed, possibly June

I know you have an agenda from your previous posts so am not surprised ..

If an 'ignore' facilty exists i'm going to use it and suggest you do the same for me.
 
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There's a massive and real difference between washing your hands and social distance while all businesses, industry and most sport (Cheltenham) just carries on ...


and


the way forward I envisaged..


"Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.

Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time."

The two are nothing like identical while both maybe called the same name it's apples and pears.

A very gradual and limited release for part of the population some time after the peak has passed, possibly June

I know you have an agenda from your previous posts so am not surprised ..

If an 'ignore' facilty exists i'm going to use it and suggest you do the same for me.

The funny thing is, in many ways, Germany has been able to test large numbers of people because they have a much less centralised system than here in the UK. I wonder if those among the 'State/NHS is best/privatisation of healthcare is the devil' group would now accept that testing could have been done far faster in the UK if the state didn't try and monopolise it all and let university and pharma labs do their bit? Equally, state run hospitals only account for around 50% of beds in Germany (which has quite a few more ICU beds per head of population than the UK). Again, not a model I can imagine many going for in the UK.
 
There's a massive and real difference between washing your hands and social distance while all businesses, industry and most sport (Cheltenham) just carries on ...


and


the way forward I envisaged..


"Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.

Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time."

The two are nothing like identical while both maybe called the same name it's apples and pears.

A very gradual and limited release for part of the population some time after the peak has passed, possibly June

I know you have an agenda from your previous posts so am not surprised ..

If an 'ignore' facilty exists i'm going to use it and suggest you do the same for me.

If you don’t want to repeat past mistakes why did you post with approval two things from people who were proposing mistakes from the past?

As for an agenda, everyone has one of those, that’s why (for example) Ian Leslie usually tweets things that support the government and attack its critics, even to the point of pooh-poohing that Maitlis speech from a few days ago.
 
When Lady Di was knocking off that Doctor at the Royal Brompton, they all had to sign the Official Secrets Act on the floor where he worked as she used to " visit " him in the hosy ( my mate worked there )

It`s protocol FFS.
So what your basically saying is your mate has broken the Official Secrets Act
 
There's a massive and real difference between washing your hands and social distance while all businesses, industry and most sport (Cheltenham) just carries on ...


and


the way forward I envisaged..


"Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.

Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time."

The two are nothing like identical while both maybe called the same name it's apples and pears.

A very gradual and limited release for part of the population some time after the peak has passed, possibly June

I know you have an agenda from your previous posts so am not surprised ..

If an 'ignore' facilty exists i'm going to use it and suggest you do the same for me.
WARNING

The pages become very short and very little makes sense. But you do get a degree of sanity back
 
The funny thing is, in many ways, Germany has been able to test large numbers of people because they have a much less centralised system than here in the UK. I wonder if those among the 'State/NHS is best/privatisation of healthcare is the devil' group would now accept that testing could have been done far faster in the UK if the state didn't try and monopolise it all and let university and pharma labs do their bit? Equally, state run hospitals only account for around 50% of beds in Germany (which has quite a few more ICU beds per head of population than the UK). Again, not a model I can imagine many going for in the UK.
That's not what people want to hear Bruce
 

Seems a bit risky.
They are on a stronger lockdown than us and badly need to get some parts of their economy working again. They are probably the least risky steps and likely to include social distancing wheee possible

The UK and some other countries never actually went as far as this in the first place although most will consider that a mistake
 
That's not what people want to hear Bruce

The NHS is a frustrating topic in so many ways. We've also seen during this outbreak the roll out of telehealth on a mass scale in a matter of weeks. I've had firsthand experience of the glacial pace of that in 'peace time', despite the technology having been around for a decade or so. Similarly, I expect the notion of using mobile apps to monitor the health of people to become widespread by the end of this, which is also something that has been feasible for ages, but the pace of change has been soooo slow.

When we're out the other side of this, hopefully there will be some vital takeaways for how health can be done better and more efficiently.
 
The NHS is a frustrating topic in so many ways. We've also seen during this outbreak the roll out of telehealth on a mass scale in a matter of weeks. I've had firsthand experience of the glacial pace of that in 'peace time', despite the technology having been around for a decade or so. Similarly, I expect the notion of using mobile apps to monitor the health of people to become widespread by the end of this, which is also something that has been feasible for ages, but the pace of change has been soooo slow.

When we're out the other side of this, hopefully there will be some vital takeaways for how health can be done better and more efficiently.

TBF not having privatised deals where the firm got a local monopoly would also help there.
 
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