Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Which is kind of the point he's making. Johnson, for one reason or another has avoided scrutiny......again.

Well he hasn't.

The entire government (urgo him) is under scrutiny. It's nonsense to say they aren't.

But as it stands they're what we have and we have to hope they can get us through this. Doesn't mean people can't ask questions, it's just it's not that, it's just the same people who like to cry and scream and shout on social media and have been doing about [insert topic here] for the last four years doing more screaming and crying and shouting on social media.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That comment on the FT article is spot on.

Reality is no one ultimately knows who or hasnt had it.

I've not been ill at all in about a year but do remember around late december on the way back from seeing family friends in Manchester I randomly felt really sick and achy & had shivers in the space of minutes after being fine all day.

Went home and had to go straight to bed as felt like absolute crap - next day I was feeling alot better then the day after was back to normal.

God knows what it was like but went and came so quickly.

 

[Agent Blue]

Well he hasn't.

The entire government (urgo him) is under scrutiny. It's nonsense to say they aren't.

But as it stands they're what we have and we have to hope they can get us through this. Doesn't mean people can't ask questions, it's just it's not that, it's just the same people who like to cry and scream and shout on social media and have been doing about [insert topic here] for the last four years doing more screaming and crying and shouting on social media.

Agreed mate we all have to pull together under very difficult circumstances. I would really like to see somebody/anybody ask some awkward questions of him though.
I just have this image of him walking into that freezer when tackled about the kid sleeping on the floor in the hospital, and that was the last time I can remember him being asked any awkward questions in public.

 

[Tubey]

This letter illustrated the stigma that's been attached to herd immunity when its the only long term solution whether achieved by vaccine (eventually) or/and controlled relaxation and monitoring, this now needs to be tackled - an exit strategy is essential.


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That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the criticism the government has received.

The criticism laid at the door of the government is one of pure incompetence. They initially set in place a plan that was absolutely bonkers and then panicked and changed course, putting in measures every other country had done weeks too late, because it become politically intolerable when they finally realised they'd have thousands upon thousands of people dying on hospital floors.

The "mitigate" strategy was incompetent at best, evil at worst. By saying so, we're not saying the end result of herd immunity was the problem (we all know that is the only way out of this ultimately, through catching it or a vaccine, with the former much more likely than the latter sadly) - it was the method of going about achieving it that was insane. Herd immunity is still the end goal of "suppression", just over a longer, more managed term.

It was only considered by the UK government because they thought it'd disproportionately kill off the vulnerable in society and therefore save money - that was the goal of Cummings and nothing will change my mind on it; it was clear as day.

 

[peteblue]

Agreed mate we all have to pull together under very difficult circumstances. I would really like to see somebody/anybody ask some awkward questions of him though.
I just have this image of him walking into that freezer when tackled about the kid sleeping on the floor in the hospital, and that was the last time I can remember him being asked any awkward questions in public.

what question would you ask him ?.....

 

[Tea_drinker]

I wouldn’t drink with Gove or Hancock, wouldn’t trust them to buy any beer tbh.....

They'd put em on expenses. They do everything else the bums.

 

[Agent Blue]

what question would you ask him ?.....

Are you deliberately starving the NHS of cash so that "rescue" by American corporations will look like a good idea?

 

[Agent Blue]

I wouldn’t drink with Gove or Hancock, wouldn’t trust them to buy any beer tbh.....

I'd buy my own beer Pete, I'd be more worried about Gove and Rohypnol.

 

[peteblue]

Are you deliberately starving the NHS of cash so that "rescue" by American corporations will look like a good idea?

Then when he points to any graph you want, showing that more money than ever is going into the NHS, that they currently have a blank cheque, and that the NHS is not up for either sale or negotiation, what would your follow up question be......

 

[Agent Blue]

Then when he points to any graph you want, showing that more money than ever is going into the NHS, that they currently have a blank cheque, and that the NHS is not up for either sale or negotiation, what would your follow up question be......

But would even you trust him enough to tell you the truth?

I'd know cos his lips were moving.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Reality is no one ultimately knows who or hasnt had it.

I've not been ill at all in about a year but do remember around late december on the way back from seeing family friends in Manchester I randomly felt really sick and achy & had shivers in the space of minutes after being fine all day.

Went home and had to go straight to bed as felt like absolute crap - next day I was feeling alot better then the day after was back to normal.

God knows what it was like but went and came so quickly.

It was almost certainly bog standard flu mate. Plenty of people had it, and some ( mostly elderly people and ones with underlying health conditions ) were admitted to hospital with it. A fair number of those would have been tested, and found to have been infected with whatever strain of flu was going round.

I had it, as did my missus. She's also a nurse in our local hospital and nursed people with it who tested positive for the flu. Chances are, she probably picked it up in there and gave it me. If she repeats that with COVID-19, I ain't going to be overly chuffed.

 

[peteblue]

But would even you trust him enough to tell you the truth?

I'd know cos his lips were moving.

But the money going in is recorded as a matter of fact. The Chancellor has given the NHS an open cheque and would not be forgiven if he reneged on it and Boris has publicly and in the HoC stated many times that the NHS is not for any negotiation. Boris is not stupid and he knows it would be political suicide to do so and would leave Labour in charge for decades...there is no upside for him or the country and he knows it.....

 

[Tubey]

The UK's coronavirus policy may sound scientific. It isn't | Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam

Dominic Cummings loves to theorise about complexity, but he’s getting it all wrong, say academics Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam

www.theguardian.com

"Individuals and scientists around the world immediately pointed out the obvious flaws: there’s no way to ensure only young people get infected; you need 60-70% of the population to be infected and recover to have a shot at herd immunity, and there aren’t that many young and healthy people in the UK, or anywhere. Moreover, many young people have severe cases of the disease, overloading healthcare systems, and a not-so-small number of them die. It is not a free ride."

^ That was why the initial government approach was simply incompetent. It's why the criticism is just, and that FT comment misses the overall point.

The Tories ballsed this up.

 

[tsubaki]

That comment on the FT article is spot on.

It absolutely isnt.

Everyone (or at least almost everyone agrees) that this lockdown cannot continue forever, and that it will have to lift relatively soon. What has to happen before it does is that we get a proper testing regime that can test large numbers of people, a proper contact tracing system (not the anon app mentioned earlier) and we expand the NHS so it can cope with an influx of cases as well as its normal business. This is what most countries are doing now, and what all the currently "successful" countries did - in some cases without having to lock down. It is also not impossible for us to have set up within two months of the lockdown having begun.

On the surface the FT comment could be read as advocating some of that, but the way the poster describes the protecting of the vulnerable (as impossible unless they are going to be sent to medical camps, which is absurd and hasnt been advocated by anyone), the lack of confidence around a vaccine coming along anytime soon and only increasing NHS critical care (which is not going to do much by itself when some reports suggest currently 50% of people who get that far end up dying) strongly suggests that this is basically a call to stop the financial damage first, then worry about the rest.

It is basically the herd immunity strategy again, which apparently doesn't exist.

 

[Agent Blue]

But the money going in is recorded as a matter of fact. The Chancellor has given the NHS an open cheque and would not be forgiven if he reneged on it and Boris has publicly and in the HoC stated many times that the NHS is not for any negotiation. Boris is not stupid and he knows it would be political suicide to do so and would leave Labour in charge for decades...there is no upside for him or the country and he knows it.....

In the same way that they were going to get 350 million a week when we left the EU. Come on Pete the man is an inveterate liar he's told that many lies his life has become a huge rollercoaster of porkies.

It's the main reason he avoids scrutiny.