My mum was in hospital in December with pneumonia. Doctors couldn’t work out what it was. They were doing to put her in an isolation ward but whatever swabs they did came back clear. Still no idea what caused it but highly unlikely to have been COVID.
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Agent Blue
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Tony Benn.
Agent Blue
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Just read this, absolutely brilliant.
www.theguardian.com
Robots deliver food in Milton Keynes under coronavirus lockdown
Starship Technologies’ small vehicles navigate pavements with no human driver required
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
He’s never been leader of the Labour Party....
whiteshadow
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The UK's coronavirus policy may sound scientific. It isn't | Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam
Dominic Cummings loves to theorise about complexity, but he’s getting it all wrong, say academics Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Yaneer Bar-Yam
"Individuals and scientists around the world immediately pointed out the obvious flaws: there’s no way to ensure only young people get infected; you need 60-70% of the population to be infected and recover to have a shot at herd immunity, and there aren’t that many young and healthy people in the UK, or anywhere. Moreover, many young people have severe cases of the disease, overloading healthcare systems, and a not-so-small number of them die. It is not a free ride."
^ That was why the initial government approach was simply incompetent. It's why the criticism is just, and that FT comment misses the overall point.
The Tories ballsed this up.
Criticism is only just when you have a better solution.
I don't mind people having a go if they have a better solution, but when people don't, they should temper their anger.
It's easy to critisize, without suggesting a better course of action.
What would you rather do instead, wait 18 months for a vaccine?
What are you talking about???
The right strategy is the current one, turned off and on when the infection rate peaks and runs low. Yes, the correct strategy is to play this out as long as possible, until we get a vaccine if need be, but not locking down the country for years in the interim.
The wrong strategy - and the one criticised initially and why we're now one of the worst countries in Europe to be hit by this - was the "do nothing" mitigate one.
whiteshadow
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Personally, I think you've misunderstood the initial strategy. From the moment BJ said about herd immunity, it seemed obvious to me he was going to enforce a lockdown at some point, unlock it, and continue to do so until enough people got infected to generate herd immunity.
I think some people are assuming he was just going to let it infect everyone at the same time and totally swamp the NHS, which is obvious he never had any intention of doing.
Nah you've misunderstood it. The initial strategy was to include basic shielding of the vulnerable but no lockdown at all. Indeed, the aim was to let as many young people get it as possible to achieve herd immunity - to "take it on the chin" as Johnson said.
This is all a matter of record - the initial strategy was "mitigate" by shielding old people at some point; the strategy now is "suppression", because "mitigate" was mind numbingly stupid.
whiteshadow
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If you're right it was beyond stupid, but it just seems so stupid that it's hard to believe anyone with any scientific advisors would actually try implementing it.
It’s fairly simple: they dithered, with typical arrogance.
Countries that have been least affected took decisive action immediately without any ambiguities. Unfortunately this country was stupid enough to elect a bumbling self-entitled clown and now we’re all shocked that he fundamentally failed his first challenge. lol boris
Countries that have been least affected took decisive action immediately without any ambiguities. Unfortunately this country was stupid enough to elect a bumbling self-entitled clown and now we’re all shocked that he fundamentally failed his first challenge. lol boris
If you're right it was beyond stupid, but it just seems so stupid that it's hard to believe anyone with any scientific advisors would actually try implementing it.
I understand why you'd misunderstand it to be honest, because so much has happened - including the most drastic change to our lives we'll ever see and that any generation has seen since the 1940s - but yeah, that's what happened.
The UK abandoned its coronavirus plan after realizing it would have resulted in 'hundreds of thousands of deaths'
The previous UK plan would have caused 'hundreds of thousands of deaths' and overwhelmed the healthcare system, a new report estimates.
www.businessinsider.com
The bold bits were the only measures imagined for a mitigate strategy.
Basically, track cases when you can, then tell everyone who gets it to quarantine at home but put no wider lockdown measures in, and ask the elderly to stay 2m apart from everyone and - famously - "just wash your hands". That was it. Nothing else.
And you're right - it's hard to believe but that's what they initially wanted to do. That's why the Tories were criticised for it.
Make no mistake, the Tories - specifically Cummings enabled by Johnson - wanted to let this thing run riot.
whiteshadow
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I understand why you'd misunderstand it to be honest, because so much has happened - including the most drastic change to our lives we'll ever see and that any generation has seen since the 1940s - but yeah, that's what happened.
The UK abandoned its coronavirus plan after realizing it would have resulted in 'hundreds of thousands of deaths'
The previous UK plan would have caused 'hundreds of thousands of deaths' and overwhelmed the healthcare system, a new report estimates.
The bold bits were the only measures imagined for a mitigate strategy.
Basically, track cases when you can, then tell everyone who gets it to quarantine at home but put no wider lockdown measures in, and ask the elderly to stay 2m apart from everyone and - famously - "just wash your hands". That was it. Nothing else.
And you're right - it's hard to believe but that's what they initially wanted to do. That's why the Tories were criticised for it.
Make no mistake, the Tories - specifically Cummings enabled by Johnson - wanted to let this thing run riot.
Thanks, I read some other stuff on top. You're right, my mistake.
Retarded initial strategy.
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Just read this, absolutely brilliant.
Robots deliver food in Milton Keynes under coronavirus lockdown
Starship Technologies’ small vehicles navigate pavements with no human driver required
I've seen these a few times when I've been driving through MK, it's bizarre to see them just driving down the path on the way to their destination but they seem pretty solid and reliable.
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I do not suppose it will be long before they are comandeered by the more nefarious elements of society, using them to deliver drugs, joy riding on them and the like.
that is exactly what he suggested in his 'take it all at once' speech. Though he is such a talentless and lazy politician it is very possible he didn't actually understand the policy or read the modelling data
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