Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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When I was younger I was in hospital for nearly a month after a major operation. Couldn’t thank the nurses enough for what they did for me. Such lovely people and knew exactly what they were doing. Will be forever grateful.
Every single one of us have had to be in hospital or a loved one treated at some point or another.

These are the people who save lives. Whether it's a pandemic or not, it's their day job.

Whether they are a paramedic at first point of treatment or the nurse / doctor that treats in the hospital , they are literally life savers every single working day of the year for them.

I'd say shining a bigger spotlight on them is long overdue.
 
Why are the UK not including those who die in nursing homes in figures?
Nor those who aren't tasted and cause of death is unknown?

Are they trying to massage the figures?

Why aren't the British media doing their fecking job?

Elaine Doyle (@laineydoyle) Tweeted:
I don't understand the British media. I really, really don't.

Basic things: Ireland and the UK started this pandemic with roughly the same number of ICU beds (6.5 per 100,000 for Ireland, 6.6 per 100,000 in the UK).

If anything, the UK was slightly better off. https://t.co/owhHMUZccU


From next week I believe they will be.

They have to get the data first and it takes time as we are seeing with some deaths just being reported from March.

Why didn't the Germans start off by counting deaths in the same way as we had (i.e. dying of covid-19, not with)?
 
No you've (purposely) misunderstood and misrepresented (for effect) pretty much the whole post.

- you can have your view, i'm not wasting time answering such stuff again

"The real policy choice is actually whether you lock down indefinitely (with great social and economic damage, and always imperfectly, so that many will die anyway) and wait for a vaccine (that you may never get to), or you attempt to isolate only the most vulnerable and manage the rest of the population to achieve herd immunity naturally.

Complete isolation of the vulnerable (effectively taking them all to medical camps based on government decree) is just not possible in Western societies, and open ended economic closure is just not possible anywhere.

So the only practical policy balance, at least in the West, is a short, temporary shutdown to rapidly buld emergency care capacity, then a reopening and progression to herd immunity, hopefully accelerated by a vaccine and if and when it emerges, making use of the massively expanded care capacity and enforcing selective isolation"


= not a herd immunity strategy, apparently
 
lollollol

No.

Unless you had an NHS that was being run at Pandemic levels 365 days a year, forced people to study medicine as there’s a lack of numbers entering the system and had a memorandum of understanding that there would never be a new virus ever again.

Mate, you're boring me now.
 
Take off your tinfoil hat and get a beer mate.
He kind of has a point in that he has avoided scrutiny for quite some time now. Remember all of the journos walking out of Downing St because the ones who were going to ask awkward questions were told to leave. Wouldn't appear on the debates either for the same reason.

In fact has he come under ANY scrutiny publicly since becoming PM.
 
Why are the UK not including those who die in nursing homes in figures?
Nor those who aren't tasted and cause of death is unknown?

When deaths are registered, the cause(s) of death will, if the doctor signing the death certificate thinks one of the causes was COVID ( regardless of whether or not a test has been carried out pre, or post mortem ) record that in the chain of cause of death. That will happen whether the death occurs in hospital, at home, or in a care home.

Those numbers will then occur in the ONS ( Office National Statistics ) stats, but, because it takes time for deaths to be registered, those numbers will lag by a couple of weeks. The daily numbers of deaths being released are to give everyone an idea of the scale of the problem as it is now ( or, to be more accurate, as it's been recently ). The official ONS numbers will be higher than the daily deaths we're seeing because they'll include COVID related

  • Deaths in hospital
  • Deaths in care homes and
  • Deaths anywhere else ( including at home )


Are they trying to massage the figures?

No, see above.
 
This letter illustrated the stigma that's been attached to herd immunity when its the only long term solution whether achieved by vaccine (eventually) or/and controlled relaxation and monitoring, this now needs to be tackled - an exit strategy is essential.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1248989722212532224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248989722212532224&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231248989722212532224


As the owner of the twitter account said

'The obsessing over the government's decisions to date - understandable even if much of it is driven by antipathy to the incumbent - obscures the fact that most democracies are dealing with this in the same way, with some variations as you'd expect.'

All governments will follow similar courses of gradual release of prohibitions while protecting the elderly and vulnerable with extended shielding - this has to be followed until a vaccine is produced, whenever that will be, September, a year or longer. It can't just be the good way is lockdown forever until a vaccine produced and the bad way release, that's just not sensible and ignores basic survival which functioning economies - even if devastated by debt - will give.

The debt mountain the world will face will bankrupt many economies as it is, this could mean a similar period of austerity to that undergone after World War II - if you think austerity in the last 10 years was bad then this could be far more severe and a lot longer lasting.

Mass unemployment, broken businesses, no government money to spend even if they wanted to. The elephant in the room is ruined economies and what comes after.

The mistakes made in the name of 'herd immunity' have given it connotations which are quite different to what it actually is, vaccination achieves herd immunity.

A mass produced vaccine is the only way you completely stop it, but that could be a year to eighteen months or more away - some plan of controlled release, mass testing, close monitoring and some parts of the economy returning has to be found.

The figures for this quarter will be horrendous but expected, no economy can just carry on spending so much indefinitely though, and certainly not for a lengthy time - social unrest and mass poverty are real dangers.

Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.

Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time.

The real problems caused by increased death rates from other serious illnesses not receiving the 'normal' very intensive attention - often due to a reluctance to attend hospitals and catch it at an early stage (for example cancer) plus increasing levels of mental instability are existing now, but will be added to many times over by the multiple problems and misery caused by bankrupt governments dealing with broken economies and mass deprivation.


That comment on the FT article is spot on.
 
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