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Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I still don’t get what it’s about. Is it she fears for the English and feels sorry, or is it look how smart we are and how stupid the English are. What point is she actually making.....
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Another obnoxious Daily Telegraph journalist (and according to his Twitter profile, 'Christian'), catches the mood of the country.
Kenshin
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I'm not downplaying anything mate.
I'm pointing out the presentation of it all. The misleading approach to it.
Do you not think there is a difference between having a virus and dying from it? You could drop dead with a heart attack tomorrow , yet if they found you had influenza in your system, would that be a flu death even if it played no part?
That's the point I'm making.
People ARE dying from the virus and even there is a chance healthy people are, no matter what the percentage is. That's why I'm one of the millions staying at home and doing as I'm told. I'm not questioning anything like that , I'm not even questioning the virus itself.
But I'm questioning the media, not the reality. Given that's how we all get our information, surely we can question it? I'd personally want to question what we are being told rather than simply sit like a zombie and accept everything on face value.
Doesn't change me sitting in the house when I'm not in work. Doesn't change me wearing gloves when I go shopping, social distancing , washing clothes after I've been out , washing hands and face when out etc.
Just because I want to question it , doesn't mean I'm the tit who thinks they know better.
I'm just thinking out loud in the one place I feel comfortable to put it , because in the real world, this isn't the type of conversation any of us want to be having.
Chris O'Connor
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This letter illustrated the stigma that's been attached to herd immunity when its the only long term solution whether achieved by vaccine (eventually) or/and controlled relaxation and monitoring, this now needs to be tackled - an exit strategy is essential.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1248989722212532224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248989722212532224&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231248989722212532224
As the owner of the twitter account said
'The obsessing over the government's decisions to date - understandable even if much of it is driven by antipathy to the incumbent - obscures the fact that most democracies are dealing with this in the same way, with some variations as you'd expect.'
All governments will follow similar courses of gradual release of prohibitions while protecting the elderly and vulnerable with extended shielding - this has to be followed until a vaccine is produced, whenever that will be, September, a year or longer. It can't just be the good way is lockdown forever until a vaccine produced and the bad way release, that's just not sensible and ignores basic survival which functioning economies - even if devastated by debt - will give.
The debt mountain the world will face will bankrupt many economies as it is, this could mean a similar period of austerity to that undergone after World War II - if you think austerity in the last 10 years was bad then this could be far more severe and a lot longer lasting.
Mass unemployment, broken businesses, no government money to spend even if they wanted to. The elephant in the room is ruined economies and what comes after.
The mistakes made in the name of 'herd immunity' have given it connotations which are quite different to what it actually is, vaccination achieves herd immunity.
A mass produced vaccine is the only way you completely stop it, but that could be a year to eighteen months or more away - some plan of controlled release, mass testing, close monitoring and some parts of the economy returning has to be found.
The figures for this quarter will be horrendous but expected, no economy can just carry on spending so much indefinitely though, and certainly not for a lengthy time - social unrest and mass poverty are real dangers.
Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.
Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time.
The real problems caused by increased death rates from other serious illnesses not receiving the 'normal' very intensive attention - often due to a reluctance to attend hospitals and catch it at an early stage (for example cancer) plus increasing levels of mental instability are existing now, but will be added to many times over by the multiple problems and misery caused by bankrupt governments dealing with broken economies and mass deprivation.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1248989722212532224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1248989722212532224&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231248989722212532224
As the owner of the twitter account said
'The obsessing over the government's decisions to date - understandable even if much of it is driven by antipathy to the incumbent - obscures the fact that most democracies are dealing with this in the same way, with some variations as you'd expect.'
All governments will follow similar courses of gradual release of prohibitions while protecting the elderly and vulnerable with extended shielding - this has to be followed until a vaccine is produced, whenever that will be, September, a year or longer. It can't just be the good way is lockdown forever until a vaccine produced and the bad way release, that's just not sensible and ignores basic survival which functioning economies - even if devastated by debt - will give.
The debt mountain the world will face will bankrupt many economies as it is, this could mean a similar period of austerity to that undergone after World War II - if you think austerity in the last 10 years was bad then this could be far more severe and a lot longer lasting.
Mass unemployment, broken businesses, no government money to spend even if they wanted to. The elephant in the room is ruined economies and what comes after.
The mistakes made in the name of 'herd immunity' have given it connotations which are quite different to what it actually is, vaccination achieves herd immunity.
A mass produced vaccine is the only way you completely stop it, but that could be a year to eighteen months or more away - some plan of controlled release, mass testing, close monitoring and some parts of the economy returning has to be found.
The figures for this quarter will be horrendous but expected, no economy can just carry on spending so much indefinitely though, and certainly not for a lengthy time - social unrest and mass poverty are real dangers.
Noone is proposing repeating former mistakes but a very gradual lifting of some targeted sanctions for a part of the population some time after the peak is reached. June is possible.
Mass testing and extended shielding of the elderly and vulnerable together with maintenance of social distancing would go alongside, meaning all social gatherings and sport won't be normal for a very long time.
The real problems caused by increased death rates from other serious illnesses not receiving the 'normal' very intensive attention - often due to a reluctance to attend hospitals and catch it at an early stage (for example cancer) plus increasing levels of mental instability are existing now, but will be added to many times over by the multiple problems and misery caused by bankrupt governments dealing with broken economies and mass deprivation.
The Penalty Box Dancer
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Jet2 have announced they're re-commencing flights on 17th June. How?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Toast
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You actually end up wanting some people to get sick sometimes.
What a repulsive thing to say, definitely works in finance the utter parasite
tsubaki
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Yes, the expert opinions of ad-men and anon comments on FT are the way out of this crisis. Especially the ones whose plans rely on massively increased healthcare spending to create capacity to deal with Coronavirus patients (and the rest) whilst also saying the country can't afford it.
I also love the insistence that there was never a herd immunity strategy, whilst also saying the only strategy is to get herd immunity.
Kenshin
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What really bothers me about all of this is nothing has changed.
These hero's as they are being called now in the past month. These were the same ones saving lives and treating people long before all of this.
This time next year I don't think NHS heroes will be a thing anymore. Yet these front line staff will still be saving lives and looking after us/our loved ones on a daily basis.
I mean for every doctor / nurse / HCA not on a covid ward right now, they are still doing the same job.
Thankfully nurses have always generally garnered a show of appreciation but they never stopped being heroes , it's just took this for many people to realise how amazing they are
Chris O'Connor
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I didn't for one minute deny the early incorrect strategy, it is exactly that which has given it the connotations referred to...the rest of your post really isn't worth it..but I expect no less if people have a fixed view
When I was younger I was in hospital for nearly a month after a major operation. Couldn’t thank the nurses enough for what they did for me. Such lovely people and knew exactly what they were doing. Will be forever grateful.
tsubaki
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"i didn't for one minute deny the early incorrect strategy, but here let me say how correct it was if its done slightly later"
Tea_drinker
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I'd love to go for a pint with johnson, Gove, Hancock...any of them. Would be an unheard of opportunity to explain reality to the born into privilege beauts.
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