Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Where are NHS England publishing these figures Bruce?

From 1 dense person to another.

Statistics » COVID-19 Daily Deaths

Health and high quality care for all, <br />now and for future generations

www.england.nhs.uk

The spreadsheet Catfish screenshotted above is the data from the last few days. I'm just too dense to understand how your tweet can report daily deaths for yesterday when NHS England clearly state that their stats for yesterday are hugely incomplete. It seems quite misleading.

 

[Goat]

Statistics » COVID-19 Daily Deaths

Health and high quality care for all, <br />now and for future generations

www.england.nhs.uk

The spreadsheet Catfish screenshotted above is the data from the last few days. I'm just too dense to understand how your tweet can report daily deaths for yesterday when NHS England clearly state that their stats for yesterday are hugely incomplete. It seems quite misleading.

Ah I found that but couldnt open the data.

 

[navidson]

Ah I found that but couldnt open the data.

Probably too dense for that like the rest of us

Just turn your computer on, click on the file and then lash your monitor out of the window

 

[peteblue]

So NHS England say 115 known deaths for 10th April. Department of Health & Social Care say a completely different figure for 10th April. There's no need to be a pompous arse by the way. It was a simple question why the DHSC are reporting daily deaths for the 10th April that are some 750 below what NHS England report.

It’s all in the timing Bruce. In your example 115 people have died today, so far. The figure for release for today, started from a time from yesterday, and included deaths over a week or so.....I changed the date so it made sense....

 

[Walken]

What did they test with 5000 tests that were not people?

tigers

 

[tsubaki]

Yea, but, rather than actually looking at what the official info is, you ( not just you btw ), would rather argue the toss about it on the internet, which seems bizarre.
Also, some of the deaths confirmed as being with someone who's infected, are only confirmed PM. Swab tests are by no means 100% accurate.

Not having a pop, but if you actually did any data analysis for a living, there's no way you'd be looking at daily numbers, you'd be looking at three, five or seven day moving averages to get a clearer picture of trends. All the data is going to be lumpy, and there are known issues ( like weekend work shifts ) associated with getting the data from each trust to a central point and verifying it before publication.

Well, part of my job at the moment is to prepare a daily analysis of statistics related to this outbreak, but more importantly the government are releasing daily figures.

Admittedly we have the advantage of a system that has automatic reporting of these events (edit: our data, not the NHS stats) but we did use to have individual units reporting figures too and it was possible to get simple returns (as this would be) in at most 30 minutes from the request being made (again though this was for a return from about 40 units, not nearly 200).

If they want to have a daily return, then they need to have a process that allows them to do it. From what we all see, and what you are saying, they don’t.

 

[Walken]

Please stop posting common sense. You'll upset the masses

if only all were so smart as yourself, glancing down occasionally from your ivory tower

 

[orly]

All getting a bit unfrandely in here today

 

[Goat]

Probably too dense for that like the rest of us

Just turn your computer on, click on the file and then lash your monitor out of the window

Done, now im on my phone and my monitor is in the paddling pool in the back yard, still cant open that file.

 

[tsubaki]

if only all were so smart as yourself, glancing down occasionally from your ivory tower

TBF he doesn’t glance, he flounces off on ignore trips

 

[navidson]

Done, now im on my phone and my monitor is in the paddling pool in the back yard, still cant open that file.

Probably for the best - The numbers don't make any sense anyway

 

[Catfish Blues]

There's no need to be a pompous arse by the way

Haha - sorry, I couldn't resist, you employ the same tactic so often on other people that it seemed right and proper to see if you'd bite !

Anyway, although it's a horrible thing to have to say, the deaths data, in terms of identifying trends isn't the right thing to be looking at. We know deaths will roughly follow hospital admissions at a fairly constant percentage, so by concentrating on deaths, you're looking at how the situation on transmission was a few weeks ago, so we know the moving average of deaths per day ( however you measure it ) will almost certainly go up for a couple of weeks

What follows, is a plot of the daily growth in new cases, based on a five day moving average of those cases ( excluding NHS and key worker tests ), which shows that the number of new cases per day has pretty much plateaued. Whether that's the peak or not is impossible to say with any certainty, and the numbers over the next few days may well, because of it being a bank holiday weekend, be a bit questionable, but it does look like the top of the growth. If the growth rate starts being consistently negative, then we're defo past the peak

 

[Toast]

First day back at work and I can assure you people are not just shopping for essentials.
I've just looked at the amount of seperate transactions we have done since doors opened at 8am and it's currently 6288 as we approach 5pm.


Social distance being maintained though and no issues from people complaining about the queue to get in as it's a very pleasant afternoon.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

well in 2016 operation Cygnus was an exercise to prepare For exactly such an eventuality as this and apparently one of the key points was we didn’t have enough PPE and a chronic shortage of ventilators. Basically the finding were the nation and specifically the NHS was unprepared for a pandemic. What did they do about rectifying that ? Fancy guessing .

So yeah I’m saying it’s something you can absolutely lay at the feet of the conservative government, I’m not blaming them for the rest of the world just for here.

We are our 3rd Coronavirus in 20 years Mers Sars and now Covid, Operation Cygnus was very likely Inspired because of the first two, no one can say we weren't warned.

 

[Zatara]

Idiot, stick to cheering for Hong Kong.

As opposed to China, you know the country responsible for the virus...

You really need to broaden your horizons not just look locally. Never know, you may learn something.

Not sure why youre calling me an "idiot" for posting something clear, obvious and factually correct.

well in 2016 operation Cygnus was an exercise to prepare For exactly such an eventuality as this and apparently one of the key points was we didn’t have enough PPE and a chronic shortage of ventilators. Basically the finding were the nation and specifically the NHS was unprepared for a pandemic. What did they do about rectifying that ? Fancy guessing .

So yeah I’m saying it’s something you can absolutely lay at the feet of the conservative government, I’m not blaming them for the rest of the world just for here.

Then you need to blame every single Govt in globally...there isnt one under the same circumstances.

At least some good news :

The city of Shenzen is set to become the first Chinese city to ban the sale of live animals for food and ban the sale of dog and cat meat for consumption.

The ban takes effect on May 1st.

Let`s see whether the rest of China follows suit.

Shenzhen is the gateway into HK. They need to show the foreign investors that its safe...or so im told by a Dutch bloke who has an office there.

Really, you didnt know the government was responsible for looking after the nations health?

Yes, and you seem to be blaming one government when the entire world is in a state of crisis.

All Governments should have fingers pointed at them not only one...its a cheap jibe at the tories which is in bad taste.

I was in China about 10 years ago on a factory visit and we were took to this restaurant where basically we were given a plate and walked down this line the size of a football pitch to pick what we wanted to eat , by the time I got to the end I had nothing on my plate .
All I saw was plate after plate of stuff that just looked totally inedible, I am not a fussy eater but I do prefer to see my dinner dead before I eat it
I have no axe to grind with the Chinese but when this is all over somebody has to be accountable.

I was in Guangzhou and was told we had a private room in an expensive restaurant just behind the river there....i ordered chicken. Refused everything else.

I was asked if i fancied dessert and to come to another floor to take a look....i walked past fishtanks full of insects, animals and pretty much every creature which could fit in one.

Truly rank....i nearly fell into the same trap when in shanghai and asked for something western...i took a bite and the table laughed,

"Do you know what that is"
"Yes its a (some western type dish)"
"Haha no, its a birds nest from XYZ mountain"

Colleague of mine was at a table in Macau four seasons where they ordered Donkey manhood.

Apparently, the virus emanated from a Tory dinner party, spread around the world by rich tory billionaires, so that the Tories could make a fortune by withholding ppe equipment and selling it at hugely inflated prices. Oh and Boris is a mass murderer who just pretended that he was sick so he could count his money...something like that anyway.....

Has Sadiq Khan taken any blame so far?

Seems very one sided on here without actually comparing to rest of world.