Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yes and the oldest 102! There’s no pattern to this f’kin thing. I think we can forget about the underlying health issue theory!

The evidence is stacking up to support age health issue and ethnicity . I know why it's been peddled further to anyone, this needed to be done to save lives from selfish twerps.

 

[Zatara]

That's what I was thinking. The fact is that masks are being sold widely there in pharmacies and shops so no requirement for them to be preserved for health workers. It's just here then that is under supplied with the basic requirements to protect doctors and nurses after 10 years of tory cuts. What a surprise.

I wasnt aware that the conservative party were responsible for a lack of face masks during a global pandemic.

At least now many other countries in the exact (or worse) situations know who to blame.

 

[Amw79]

The evidence is stacking up to support age health issue and ethnicity . I know why it's been peddled further to anyone, this needed to be done to save lives from selfish twerps.

what’s the ethnicity angle? Haven’t heard this mentioned?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

what’s the ethnicity angle? Haven’t heard this mentioned?

Probably more to do with other health conditions such as diabetes. However, maybe in similar vein to Sickle cell or Tay- Sachs.

 

[navidson]

How does that work? Presumably the 'daily death count' for yesterday will also have had deaths that occurred from the 1-9 April if that's how it works?

That's exactly how it works - Not sure how they've managed to complicate it so much, but it basically means we can't compare day by day statistics to see if the numbers are dropping

 

[Harryflashman]

what’s the ethnicity angle? Haven’t heard this mentioned?

just evolving data . BAME medical staff more risk in the Uk and a 50% general greater fatality risk in the US although there could be economic factors to that .

new disease isn’t it so lots of stuff flying about .

 

[Goat]

I wasnt aware that the conservative party were responsible for a lack of face masks during a global pandemic.

At least now many other countries in the exact (or worse) situations know who to blame.

Idiot, stick to cheering for Hong Kong.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's exactly how it works - Not sure how they've managed to complicate it so much, but it basically means we can't compare day by day statistics to see if the numbers are dropping

Presumably deaths aren't double counted though, so how do they do so? When the deaths are officially registered or something?

 

[Harryflashman]

You do, but people really shouldn't be talking about zones.

All people need to realise is that anyone can get this and it can kill you even if you have no underlying health conditions. If you are sensible, you can prevent you getting it as well as you passing it on to your loved ones.

i think that’s all fair but talk /speculation of lockdown restrictions being lifted by age doesn’t really fit into the ‘ignore the age ‘ narrative does it ?

this disease can kill anyone , it certainly be spread by anyone but it does seem age is a factor .Feels odd to ignore it .

 

[navidson]

Presumably deaths aren't double counted though, so how do they do so? When the deaths are officially registered or something?

I can only guess that it's an issue with different hospitals sending their data in

Not sure how every other country seems to be able to manage though

 

[evilwebby]

The ethnic breakdown of the fatalities is very sad, but not that unsurprising, at least to me. We know that people who have the most health problems also tend to be those on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder, and that intersects with ethnic groups. African-Americans are one of the groups that is also the most carbohydrate-sensitive and has thus disproportionately suffered from the adoption of a high-carb western diet with high rates of obesity and metabolic diesease.

 

[tsubaki]

How does that work? Presumably the 'daily death count' for yesterday will also have had deaths that occurred from the 1-9 April if that's how it works?

Who knows at this point?

Sorry for repeating myself on this particular issue, but this is beyond woeful. All you need to get a daily count of new infections and new deaths in hospitals is one person at each hospital (or one at each trust) to gather the data, one person (or a couple of people) centrally to collate it, an email address to send the returns to and someone to direct what the cut-off time is for the daily figures and how quickly the returns have to be submitted by. It is not rocket science or even brain surgery to do this.

Everything else - age, previous health conditions etc - can be obtained subsequently and published in a slower time frame together with the data from care homes, deaths in the community and so on, and give an accurate picture of what is going on.

 

[Harryflashman]

I wasnt aware that the conservative party were responsible for a lack of face masks during a global pandemic.

At least now many other countries in the exact (or worse) situations know who to blame.

well in 2016 operation Cygnus was an exercise to prepare For exactly such an eventuality as this and apparently one of the key points was we didn’t have enough PPE and a chronic shortage of ventilators. Basically the finding were the nation and specifically the NHS was unprepared for a pandemic. What did they do about rectifying that ? Fancy guessing .

So yeah I’m saying it’s something you can absolutely lay at the feet of the conservative government, I’m not blaming them for the rest of the world just for here.

 

[Goat]

Who knows at this point?

Sorry for repeating myself on this particular issue, but this is beyond woeful. All you need to get a daily count of new infections and new deaths in hospitals is one person at each hospital (or one at each trust) to gather the data, one person (or a couple of people) centrally to collate it, an email address to send the returns to and someone to direct what the cut-off time is for the daily figures and how quickly the returns have to be submitted by. It is not rocket science or even brain surgery to do this.

Everything else - age, previous health conditions etc - can be obtained subsequently and published in a slower time frame together with the data from care homes, deaths in the community and so on, and give an accurate picture of what is going on.

Think the problem appears to be gaining permission from families.

 

[Harryflashman]

The ethnic breakdown of the fatalities is very sad, but not that unsurprising, at least to me. We know that people who have the most health problems also tend to be those on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder, and that intersects with ethnic groups. African-Americans are one of the groups that is also the most carbohydrate-sensitive and has thus disproportionately suffered from the adoption of a high-carb western diet with high rates of obesity and metabolic diesease.

not sure that fits with BAME medical staff and doctors in the UK does it ? I mean I totally think your US argument could hold water but I’m probably unconvinced on day doctors over here .