Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[canuckblue]

No idea what NHS England are saying Bruce, I use these for the numbers.

Couldn't help but notice it says "sadly died." Don't think anyone has happily passed away from this.

 

[Catfish Blues]

But they arent just England figures?

Has there been an epidemic of denseness round here

The NHS consists of NHS England, NHS Wales and NHS Scotland. Plus, until they go their own sweet way, NHS Northern Ireland too, although, to be fair, the non-English numbers get reported via there Public Health quango type bodies.

@Bruce Wayne


From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Notes on deaths figures
The figures on deaths relate in almost all cases to patients who have died in hospital and who have tested positive for COVID-19. Slight differences in reporting in devolved administrations may mean that they include a small number of deaths outside hospital. The figures are compiled from validated data provided by NHS England and Improvement, Health Protection Scotland, Public Health Wales and the Public Health Agency (Northern Ireland).

I remember now why I'd be a feckin useless teacher !!

 

[peteblue]

Couldn't help but notice it says "sadly died." Don't think anyone has happily passed away from this.

If I carry on reading this thread I might be the first....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

'Sake.

There'll be some overlap, but, to simplify it, Public Health England ( mainly ) process the swab tests, NHS England deal with the patients ( but do some tests as well ), but the the source for the numbers of deaths for England will be NHS England

I think the NHS logo on that tweet might give a bit of a clue !

That's what I mean when it's confusing then, as I'm looking a the NHS England spreadsheet now, and they don't have any stats for today, and only 115 recorded for yesterday, so it seems misleading to say there have been 900 or so deaths today. People are crawling over these stats to try and extrapolate trends and so on, so it seems quite important, doesn't it?

 

[tsubaki]

They're both "right" in as such as they reflect the way they're reported, but, if you want to know how many people died in England with COVID-19 on a given day, then the spreadsheet is the right number ( so long as you go back a week or so ). If you're just interested in a trend, then the headline figure is OK, but will almost certainly by misleading over weekends, when there are less admin staff around to keep the numbers up to date.

I agree with a lot of what you have said, but there really should not be a difficulty in getting the number of positive tests and deaths of persons who’ve tested positive in a trust (I’d even say in a hospital) over a day.

The more complicated data absolutely, but not that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Has there been an epidemic of denseness round here

The NHS consists of NHS England, NHS Wales and NHS Scotland. Plus, until they go their own sweet way, NHS Northern Ireland too, although, to be fair, the non-English numbers get reported via there Public Health quango type bodies.

@Bruce Wayne


From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public




I remember now why I'd be a feckin useless teacher !!

As I said above, it looks like they're taking a cumulative number of deaths known about today, subtracting the cumulative number of deaths known yesterday, and then presenting that as the number of deaths today. That seems rather misleading to me when the NHS England data is showing no deaths for today at all (because they don't have the data yet).

 

[Goat]

Has there been an epidemic of denseness round here

The NHS consists of NHS England, NHS Wales and NHS Scotland. Plus, until they go their own sweet way, NHS Northern Ireland too, although, to be fair, the non-English numbers get reported via there Public Health quango type bodies.

@Bruce Wayne


From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public




I remember now why I'd be a feckin useless teacher !!

Erm, no mate.

My point was ive never once looked at just NHS England figures, ive only ever looked at the figures from the whole of the UK, hence me saying I have no idea what NHS England are saying.

 

[Catfish Blues]

and they don't have any stats for today,

Err, well, that'd be because the day isn't over yet



Who is it you normally do freelance work for ?

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's fairly straightforward ...

From https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ ( I've bolded the important stuff )




The spreadsheet for the NHS England deaths is on that site as well, and it's actually easier to see what it means by looking at the raw data.

Obviously this is the internet though, so there'll doubtless be conspiracy theories and accusations of incompetence being bandied about when the explanation is there in black and white for all to see.

Please stop posting common sense. You'll upset the masses

 

[spectateur]

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Like the idea of ‘Enhanced Shielding’ (that I thought was a very good idea from the start). Elderly and vulnerable kept in lockdown with necessary support to get supplies, medicine, medical care. Low risk groups allowed to return to as normal a life as is possible. Total shutdown is only prolonging this nightmare for everyone. We can’t just sit around playing the fiddle for a vaccine whilst Rome burns.

A hell of a lot of people are going to be quite sick. How will normal life return if a good proportion of the population is sick in bed. Big flu epidemics have caused chaos in the past.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Err, well, that'd be because the day isn't over yet

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Who is it you normally do freelance work for ?

So NHS England say 115 known deaths for 10th April. Department of Health & Social Care say a completely different figure for 10th April. There's no need to be a pompous arse by the way. It was a simple question why the DHSC are reporting daily deaths for the 10th April that are some 750 below what NHS England report.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I agree with a lot of what you have said, but there really should not be a difficulty in getting the number of positive tests and deaths of persons who’ve tested positive in a trust (I’d even say in a hospital) over a day.

The more complicated data absolutely, but not that.

Yea, but, rather than actually looking at what the official info is, you ( not just you btw ), would rather argue the toss about it on the internet, which seems bizarre.
Also, some of the deaths confirmed as being with someone who's infected, are only confirmed PM. Swab tests are by no means 100% accurate.

Not having a pop, but if you actually did any data analysis for a living, there's no way you'd be looking at daily numbers, you'd be looking at three, five or seven day moving averages to get a clearer picture of trends. All the data is going to be lumpy, and there are known issues ( like weekend work shifts ) associated with getting the data from each trust to a central point and verifying it before publication.

 

[Goat]

So NHS England say 115 known deaths for 10th April. Department of Health & Social Care say a completely different figure for 10th April. There's no need to be a pompous arse by the way. It was a simple question why the DHSC are reporting daily deaths for the 10th April that are some 750 below what NHS England report.

Where are NHS England publishing these figures Bruce?

From 1 dense person to another.

 

[peteblue]

As I said above, it looks like they're taking a cumulative number of deaths known about today, subtracting the cumulative number of deaths known yesterday, and then presenting that as the number of deaths today. That seems rather misleading to me when the NHS England data is showing no deaths for today at all (because they don't have the data yet).

It’s quite simple really....

 

[ToffeeTim]

Journalists ask some daft questions at these press conferences.

They act like they know absolutely everything about everything.