Current Affairs Climate Change Demonstrations.....

[larrygobfiend]

They want our government to be carbon neutral by 2025. That is the protest

The aim is for Britain to be carbon neutral by 2050, isn't it? The protesters are utterly deluded if they think something like that can happen in 5 years. Britain should be praised for leading the way by setting a realistic target, not attacked.

Other posters are correct, there's far bigger and badder countries than our little island.

 

[James1878]

China says, and yes I am paraphrasing, but China says 'koff' to what anyone in the West thinks.

China have listened to the changes around the world though. They have been implementing greener solutions all over their country. More than some western countries.

I was repeating your example but actually they have been trying. They do listen. They could do more.

Thing is you forget China needs the west and its money. Given that most of its exports go to the western countries.

 

[larrygobfiend]

The UK is now committed by law to the most aggressive climate target in the world

The country also went two whole weeks without burning coal for electricity.

www.vox.com

Am I missing something here? It actually sounds like Britain is leading the way. Christ, there's a lot to knock us for, but doing nothing to tackle climate change shouldn't be one of those things.

 

[catcherintherye]

Calm down fella. Think of your blood pressure.

I think you will find the only time I have ridiculed them is for this ridiculous stunt. Impacting commuters using electric public transport.

They deserved a slap and got one.

Go and protest outside of the BP or Shell offices. Or something relevant.

I agree with your sentiment that targeting ordinary commuters in east London on an electric train was a stupid move, but I can't have that people deserved a slap. It's a slippery slope. Bret protestors did a go slow on a road recently, does that mean I can go up to them and punch them if they delay me? I mean where do we draw the line?

Taking them off the train is one thing, there was no need for the violence after it and in truth it has put a bit of a dent in the commuters position which most people were probably sympathetic too before that.

 

[Yid4life]

I agree with your sentiment that targeting ordinary commuters in east London on an electric train was a stupid move, but I can't have that people deserved a slap. It's a slippery slope. Bret protestors did a go slow on a road recently, does that mean I can go up to them and punch them if they delay me? I mean where do we draw the line?

Taking them off the train is one thing, there was no need for the violence after it and in truth it has put a bit of a dent in the commuters position which most people were probably sympathetic too before that.

Fair enough.

As someone who commuted into central London since 1978 i know how stressful and [Poor language removed] it is. It doesn't take much to tip people over the edge.

Let's not forget it was the XR bloke that kicked the commuter in the head first.

 

[catcherintherye]

I have no sympathy for them. Not for what they are protesting for, but the way they are going about it.
People can protest if it is peaceful & lawful - no problem. But don't be surprised if people react negatively to the methods they have used and the targets they have chosen. As one commuter on the tube told the protesters: that he had to get to work to feed his children. To pick the London tube as a target was simply beyond stupid on every level. It's good to hear they have now cancelled their planned protests at Gatwick airport.
One these idiots turned up on the Piers Morgan show dressed as a piece of Broccoli and had a banana as a phone. They wonder why they are not being taken seriously?
The general public of this country are on the whole, extremely patient. But these protesters seem to have lost the plot. It is no surprise that the general public have now started to turn against them.

Part of the difficulty though, is police have banned a lot of lawful protest options. I have no idea why they were banned from Trafalgar square for example. They are committed too and for the most part have carried out protests in that spirit.

The selection of the tube is a disastrous decision.I see no sense in it whatsoever. I saw someone put it would have been better to hold open tube gates, to symbolically tell people to use the tube, and probably get some commuters on side, if you were going for a mad tokenistic gesture around the train network.

 

[catcherintherye]

Fair enough.

As someone who commuted into central London since 1978 i know how stressful and [Poor language removed] it is. It doesn't take much to tip people over the edge.

Let's not forget it was the XR bloke that kicked the commuter in the head first.

Oh I know. I don't think it's a particularly good thing though. I saw some bloke from Glasgow put that in Glasgow they'd have just gone home and gone back to bed, which kind of summed the mentality difference up, and those who commute in London are a bit of a different breed.

I can see no sense in selecting the tube. I imagine most people at that station are sympathetic to action on climate change, and can probably be won round to the principle that faster action is needed. Such an action starts not from that optimistic position, but an extreme pessimism that people don't agree with you and never will. It's a product of a long period of defeat for the "left" who can't see to get their head around the idea of the potential popularity of the ideas.

While I can understand the anger we can't have mob rule like that. To a certain degree protestors haven't helped themselves but those involved with the violence do need to have a word with themselves. In fairness to the protestor I don't blame him for the kick so much, as it did look like he was going to be lynched, having done the commute myself I'd have been sh1tting myself in his position! So I think it falls under "self defence". His mistake was going there in the first place.

 

[Paris]

China have listened to the changes around the world though. They have been implementing greener solutions all over their country. More than some western countries.

I was repeating your example but actually they have been trying. They do listen. They could do more.

Thing is you forget China needs the west and its money. Given that most of its exports go to the western countries.

China will do what's right for China, end of. If that means they continue burning fossil fuels then they will do so, irrespective of what some noble, yet naive, people say or do in the United Kingdom.

 

[peteblue]

China will do what's right for China, end of. If that means they continue burning fossil fuels then they will do so, irrespective of what some noble, yet naive, people say or do in the United Kingdom.

Indeed, and so will India, and so next will be Africa. They all want to get to where western countries are, and who can blame them. However, demonstrations in London against the U.K. policies will have no effect whatsoever...its nonsense....

 

[Osamabindiesel]

The UK is now committed by law to the most aggressive climate target in the world

The country also went two whole weeks without burning coal for electricity.

www.vox.com

Am I missing something here? It actually sounds like Britain is leading the way. Christ, there's a lot to knock us for, but doing nothing to tackle climate change shouldn't be one of those things.

It will never be enough. In Britain, climate activists have gotten so powerful that they are seeing how much they can get away with. As a result, you are seeing more of the looney toons and less of the rational climate debate. Britain is doing their part. Hell, they are paying the price for doing so.

 

[Paris]

It will never be enough. In Britain, climate activists have gotten so powerful that they are seeing how much they can get away with. As a result, you are seeing more of the looney toons and less of the rational climate debate. Britain is doing their part. Hell, they are paying the price for doing so.

Unfortunately those with less means are paying the price, sadly. The wealthy will not notice the difference.

 

[peteblue]

It will never be enough. In Britain, climate activists have gotten so powerful that they are seeing how much they can get away with. As a result, you are seeing more of the looney toons and less of the rational climate debate. Britain is doing their part. Hell, they are paying the price for doing so.

Next we have the vegan mobsters... we are a rich nation so the looney tunes can afford to have their say.....

 

[larrygobfiend]

It will never be enough. In Britain, climate activists have gotten so powerful that they are seeing how much they can get away with. As a result, you are seeing more of the looney toons and less of the rational climate debate. Britain is doing their part. Hell, they are paying the price for doing so.

It's because we're a soft country. Try half of the crap they've been pulling in places like China, India or even the US and they'll be getting a hiding!
It genuinely makes me question the motives of some, especially when there's footage of them off their faces and essentially having a big party.
The UK isn't the problem here.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

It's because we're a soft country. Try half of the crap they've been pulling in places like China, India or even the US and they'll be getting a hiding!
It genuinely makes me question the motives of some, especially when there's footage of them off their faces and essentially having a big party.
The UK isn't the problem here.

100 percent. It’s actually very sad because I believe the majority of movements are heartfelt and sincere to begin with. Problem is, if you concede even a tiny bit, you feed the egos and it becomes a power trip. The demands start to become unreasonable.

Also add in the fact that climate change is a very marketable industry these days. Advertisers love it. Social media supports it financially. Corporate drones will support these batcrap insane mobs financially. People donate to these loonies on donation sites. The wackier and more outrageous the mobs, the more money and attention garnered. It becomes more disingenuous the more powerful they become.

 

[peteblue]

It's because we're a soft country. Try half of the crap they've been pulling in places like China, India or even the US and they'll be getting a hiding!
It genuinely makes me question the motives of some, especially when there's footage of them off their faces and essentially having a big party.
The UK isn't the problem here.

exactly......so it’s easier to demonstrate in a country such as ours where there is no chance of any harm.....