Current Affairs Climate Change Demonstrations.....

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I dont think people understand what the aim of the climate strikes is. They're drawing attention to an issue that needs actual leadership on an international scale. It's all well and good putting targets out there with the Paris agreement etc but what's the vehicle that we use to reach those targets? Governmental policy.

We the end consumers of "stuff" can make our small changes, sure they add up if everyone does them, but fundamentally governments need to start putting environmentally responsible policies forward and getting them implemented. Renewable Energy generation, pushing targets onto manufacturers and big business, changing the way those targets are adhered to.

On a personal level working in aus, in a role that has implications on the direction of where this medium sized business goes from an environmental perspective has really highlighted the true lack of state and federal direction to me. We as a business have implemented things you would consider basic from an environmental stand point: cardboard recycling, energy tracking and reduction projects, vehicle fuel reduction projects, replacing interstate trips with video calls where possible, solar power generation etc The issue is there is absolutely zero incentive to do these things, we looked at using plant based packaging, a circular economy with local customers but the costs are prohibitive. We would lose money per unit and there is only so much you can do without incurring additional costs and putting the business in a position that isnt viable.


This is where governments need to change policy and be firm on implemeting that policy. Take waste recycling in australia as an example, there are few plants domestically that can process recyclable materials - plastic packaging being one example. People do what they think is the right thing, segregate their waste for recycling curbside. Waste is collected every fortnight and they think job done, I've done a small bit meaningful thing, been responsible with my waste segregation. But where does that stuff go? Up until about a year ago it was getting shipped to south east Asia, huge additional CO2 emissions to transport the stuff for reprocessing. The vast majority of it then ending up either as land fill or being burnt for fuel, again more emissions. So instead of taking ownership of the problem and putting infrastructure in place, tackling the root cause of why the chuff is everything packaged using plastic, the government policy was to send it overseas and forget about it. It's completely irresponsible and this is the sort of issue that needs to change at government level. Nevermind opening up new coal power stations in a nation that has the biggest availability of renewable power generation.

These protests are about raising these issue, getting people to talk and think about these sorts of things which then puts the chumps in charge under pressure. We can all do these small changes but they're pointless if the infrastructure and commitment isnt there to get things moving on a much bigger scale. China, India etc have to be reined in, we cannot keep allowing huge volumes of fossil fuels to be burnt, plastic to be generated all while we race to the bottom on cost of goods sold. The USA goes through 20million barrels of oil per day, 20 million. One country. We are in a disgusting mess imo.
 
I dont think people understand what the aim of the climate strikes is. They're drawing attention to an issue that needs actual leadership on an international scale. It's all well and good putting targets out there with the Paris agreement etc but what's the vehicle that we use to reach those targets? Governmental policy.

We the end consumers of "stuff" can make our small changes, sure they add up if everyone does them, but fundamentally governments need to start putting environmentally responsible policies forward and getting them implemented. Renewable Energy generation, pushing targets onto manufacturers and big business, changing the way those targets are adhered to.

On a personal level working in aus, in a role that has implications on the direction of where this medium sized business goes from an environmental perspective has really highlighted the true lack of state and federal direction to me. We as a business have implemented things you would consider basic from an environmental stand point: cardboard recycling, energy tracking and reduction projects, vehicle fuel reduction projects, replacing interstate trips with video calls where possible, solar power generation etc The issue is there is absolutely zero incentive to do these things, we looked at using plant based packaging, a circular economy with local customers but the costs are prohibitive. We would lose money per unit and there is only so much you can do without incurring additional costs and putting the business in a position that isnt viable.


This is where governments need to change policy and be firm on implemeting that policy. Take waste recycling in australia as an example, there are few plants domestically that can process recyclable materials - plastic packaging being one example. People do what they think is the right thing, segregate their waste for recycling curbside. Waste is collected every fortnight and they think job done, I've done a small bit meaningful thing, been responsible with my waste segregation. But where does that stuff go? Up until about a year ago it was getting shipped to south east Asia, huge additional CO2 emissions to transport the stuff for reprocessing. The vast majority of it then ending up either as land fill or being burnt for fuel, again more emissions. So instead of taking ownership of the problem and putting infrastructure in place, tackling the root cause of why the chuff is everything packaged using plastic, the government policy was to send it overseas and forget about it. It's completely irresponsible and this is the sort of issue that needs to change at government level. Nevermind opening up new coal power stations in a nation that has the biggest availability of renewable power generation.

These protests are about raising these issue, getting people to talk and think about these sorts of things which then puts the chumps in charge under pressure. We can all do these small changes but they're pointless if the infrastructure and commitment isnt there to get things moving on a much bigger scale. China, India etc have to be reined in, we cannot keep allowing huge volumes of fossil fuels to be burnt, plastic to be generated all while we race to the bottom on cost of goods sold. The USA goes through 20million barrels of oil per day, 20 million. One country. We are in a disgusting mess imo.
Shut-up and pick up some litter x
 
Do you realise how idiotic this is. They are children, they know the square root of sod all, even if they know what a square root is. This false fawning over kids having a nice walk in London is just getting worse. If these kids are so clever, than pack in your job and offer it to a 16 year old.....

They're raising awareness so that we don't continue to ignore the bulk of the scientific community, as we have to date. It's the same kind of emotional appeal that resulted in your beloved Brexit.
 
indeed, no marches though.....
I suspect in your mind the abolition of the slave trade is success of British Empire and anything outside that purview can be overlooked.

The history of abolition is littered with rebellion, uprisings, rallies, marches.

For a man espousing the wisdom of age, you might do well to consider that talking in absolutes about topics you seem to know little about, doesn't make you seem wiser, it makes you look foolish.
 
I suspect in your mind the abolition of the slave trade is success of British Empire and anything outside that purview can be overlooked.

The history of abolition is littered with rebellion, uprisings, rallies, marches.

For a man espousing the wisdom of age, you might do well to consider that talking in absolutes about topics you seem to know little about, doesn't make you seem wiser, it makes you look foolish.

You really must re-read some of your own posts......
 
They're raising awareness so that we don't continue to ignore the bulk of the scientific community, as we have to date. It's the same kind of emotional appeal that resulted in your beloved Brexit.

Oh, I appreciate that Bruce. But I think most European governments have already decided that a greener environment will pay dividends. The issue though is, and remains, what will China, India, USA etc do. Because none of them wish to give up on either their economic development (China, India), nor their industrial competitiveness (USA). So unless these protests, marches or whatever, address or are targeted on the key polluters then nothing will really change. Europeans can wear a big badge saying ‘look how green we are’ but until there is economic benefit attached to it, do not expect any big change soon from the main polluters........
 
Oh, I appreciate that Bruce. But I think most European governments have already decided that a greener environment will pay dividends. The issue though is, and remains, what will China, India, USA etc do. Because none of them wish to give up on either their economic development (China, India), nor their industrial competitiveness (USA). So unless these protests, marches or whatever, address or are targeted on the key polluters then nothing will really change. Europeans can wear a big badge saying ‘look how green we are’ but until there is economic benefit attached to it, do not expect any big change soon from the main polluters........

Where does China's trade go?
 
We have them here in Aussie, but for some reason they only turn out in Brisbane on a friday afternoon to disrupt the comute to the pub.
Share the love ffs. Go and annoy the trendy green hipsters in Sydney or Melbourne...you know, where the people who actually run the country live.
 
So, surely - if the West was to put environmental protectionism at the forefront of its economic/import policy - China would have to change?

The reason that China makes so much stuff for us is because it is cheap, labour and other costs. Going green is expensive. If they went ‘green’ their costs would rise, the costs of products would rise and production would build up in the next cheap place, India. China has no incentive to go green at this point in time.....
 
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