Current Affairs Climate Change Demonstrations.....

[peteblue]

The example I quoted might be a good place to start: March on Washington - American Civil rights Act and voting rights Act.

Conversely Pete, whatever changed by people not protesting and marching?

...abolition of the Slave Trade.....achieved through properly planned education and information......

 

[peteblue]

People tidy up beaches and rivers and streets and parks etc off their own back all the time. Every time I take a walk I’ll try to make the effort to pick up a bit litter. A guy I know will take a bin bag to the beach and fill it with rubbish every weekend. In the west end of Newcastle they have a volunteer group, going about with bin bags. Cleaning the streets. Just cos you don’t see it and it’s not all over the news doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
I can kinda see your critique of this kind of movement but think you’re being a bit over cynical here.

I may be. And just like you, we invariably pick up litter from the lanes around our village. Now just imagine the news reports if those hundreds of thousands of children had actually done so on a single day, before the rest of us continue it afterwards. Our oceans are being destroyed because of pollutants and plastics, our food chain is being infected with micro plastics. I have no problem with the movement, just what they actually do to change something......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I may be. And just like you, we invariably pick up litter from the lanes around our village. Now just imagine the news reports if those hundreds of thousands of children had actually done so on a single day, before the rest of us continue it afterwards. Our oceans are being destroyed because of pollutants and plastics, our food chain is being infected with micro plastics. I have no problem with the movement, just what they actually do to change something......

I think with regards to plastic pollutants, it’s largely a case of changing our consumer habits than picking up rubbish though.
As consumer awareness has grown, many companies understand that it is great positive publicity to take up environmental initiatives, such as Iceland recently saying they plan to eliminate plastic on all own brand products. You can I guess partially attribute this to people marching and gaining news coverage.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

...abolition of the Slave Trade.....achieved through properly planned education and information......

So slave revolts played no part whatsoever in the abolition of slavery then.....right oh.

 

[peteblue]

Do you know how long it takes to make these changes?
However, hongkong is a good recent example of protests bringing about change.

I have nothing but admiration for the people in HK. Their protests are the most difficult because of who they are up against. However even they sometimes screw it up by some engaging in violence which will inevitably give the authorities the excuse to clamp down. Change takes time obviously, just like the smoking ban......

 

[abelard]

I may be. And just like you, we invariably pick up litter from the lanes around our village. Now just imagine the news reports if those hundreds of thousands of children had actually done so on a single day, before the rest of us continue it afterwards. Our oceans are being destroyed because of pollutants and plastics, our food chain is being infected with micro plastics. I have no problem with the movement, just what they actually do to change something......

Picking up litter is a lovely gesture, but it does not have the slightest connection to carbon emissions.

You are conflating two things which don't relate.

Only concerted action by governments around the world can transform the economy away from carbon.

But governments around the world are thus far refusing to take the crisis seriously.

Hence the protests.

 

[peteblue]

I think with regards to plastic pollutants, it’s largely a case of changing our consumer habits than picking up rubbish though.
As consumer awareness has grown, many companies understand that it is great positive publicity to take up environmental initiatives, such as Iceland recently saying they plan to eliminate plastic on all own brand products. You can I guess partially attribute this to people marching and gaining news coverage.

I suggested earlier that I would have like to have seen these kids parked outside of every Tesco outlet, making a big noise about packaging. Tesco would have gotten the message and forced its suppliers to make the changes. This for me would be a practical output.....

 

[peteblue]

Picking up litter is a lovely gesture, but it does not have the slightest connection to carbon emissions.

You are conflating two things which don't relate.

Only concerted action by governments around the world can transform the economy away from carbon.

But governments around the world are thus far refusing to take the crisis seriously.

Hence the protests.

Fine, then protest outside of every Chinese, Indian, USA embassy daily...it’s pointless walking around our cities. Target the protests.....

 

[Walken]

I think with regards to plastic pollutants, it’s largely a case of changing our consumer habits than picking up rubbish though.
As consumer awareness has grown, many companies understand that it is great positive publicity to take up environmental initiatives, such as Iceland recently saying they plan to eliminate plastic on all own brand products. You can I guess partially attribute this to people marching and gaining news coverage.

Definitely a case of educating consumers and raising standards from providers, while in florida last this year I had to pretty forcibly prevent the super market bag packers from giving plastic bags, and there are examples all over the shops such as individual water melon slices in plastic containers

 

[peteblue]

Definitely a case of educating consumers and raising standards from providers, while in florida last this year I had to pretty forcibly prevent the super market bag packers from giving plastic bags, and there are examples all over the shops such as individual water melon slices in plastic containers

It’s absolutely ridiculous and scandalous the amount of packaging used, which means that it has to be manufactured, requiring energy, requiring carbon generation. This is why it’s pointless trying to boil the ocean, target something, make it happen, move onto the next. Look at the things that actually need to be improved, find out the root causes and target the reasons why they were ever needed to begin with.....

 

[abelard]

Fine, then protest outside of every Chinese, Indian, USA embassy daily...it’s pointless walking around our cities. Target the protests.....

I suspect you're now having to try very hard not to understand.

As somebody just pointed out:

I think a lot of our (and the US') carbon emissions have been exported to China. Maybe you're looking at a simplified household economy, whereas a lot of consumer goods for our market are made in China.

Carbon emissions are a global problem. Emissions from China come from manufacturing the goods people in Britain consume.

The highest emitters per capita are the oil states in the Gulf. But the emissions they produce from refining crude oil go toward producing the petrol on which your life depends.

That's why the demonstrations are part of global movement, featuring simultaneous protests in hundreds of cities around the globe, including in China, India, and the United States.

 

[Jebus_lives]

...abolition of the Slave Trade.....achieved through properly planned education and information......

This is an incredibly simplistic summary of the context surrounding Abolition of the Slave Trade.

There is a great deal of difference, for example, between the 1807 act and the 1833 Act. There were plenty of protests, rallies, uprisings, conferences that provide background to the Abolition of Slave trading.

 

[Jebus_lives]

So slave revolts played no part whatsoever in the abolition of slavery then.....right oh.

I suspect the full context want covered in the only reference manual Pete uses:

 

[bol-uk]

I have nothing but admiration for the people in HK. Their protests are the most difficult because of who they are up against. However even they sometimes screw it up by some engaging in violence which will inevitably give the authorities the excuse to clamp down. Change takes time obviously, just like the smoking ban......

I agree, very brave people. You do NOT want to be in middle of that when they chinese eventually kick off.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

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