City getting clapped off yesterday

[riddick]

I would retain the following players :

Pickford
Coleman
Baines
Holgate
Davies
Klaassen
Iceland
Gana
Tosun
Walcott
Besic

The rest I would punt on frees.

First team players? I'm guessing not including the utes?

 

[davek]

None of them have done enough.

Some of them look like they could maybe kick on at some point, with the right coaching DCL and Davies are the standouts in that regard, the rest are mostly potential, IMO.

I left out DCL. I still do too. He is Championship class. I thought for a spell that he was better than I thought. He isn't.

The others though have very good futures ahead of them in the PL. Whether that's with us depends on how well they progress. But I'd like to see our new boss continental coach run the rule over them first.

 

[Furey1878]

Nah, the Invisible Arsenal team hitting four past us were the best.

Wier and Stubbs must still be having nightmares about Henry, Pires and Bergkamp.

Didn’t see that one mate

 

[Goat]

First team players? I'm guessing not including the utes?

I honestly havent seen enough of most of the yoots to judge them and its very, very difficult to call them at the age most of them are, we have some very good players with TONS of potential, I do have my doubts that the majority will ever kick on, thats based mainly on a historical POV and the likelihood of a class of 92 ever appearing again.

As I say, as far as most of them go, it would be very, very unfair to judge any of them 1 way or the other.

I left out DCL. I still do too. He is Championship class. I thought for a spell that he was better than I thought. He isn't.

The others though have very good futures ahead of them in the PL. Whether that's with us depends on how well they progress. But I'd like to see our new boss continental coach run the rule over them first.

I cant work DCL out at all, to me he has brief moments when I think hey up, but they are very brief, yet hes been picked by most of our managers and does have some very decent digits for the season 8 goals and 6 assists arent amazing figures by any stretch, but they are fairly decent. I honestly recall watching Harry Kane a few years ago and he was beyond dire, maybe thats what we are hoping, maybe, I just dont know Dave, hes a weird 1 for sure.

 

[f.t.r.s]

nothing to do with el fraudo, who despite at times playing pretty football flattered to deceive.
I'd say it was acknowledgement that we'd just been schooled by a team lightyears ahead of our current shambles

 

[Aqui1a]

Martinez was actually a really good manager, remember?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting lol

 

[davek]

I honestly havent seen enough of most of the yoots to judge them and its very, very difficult to call them at the age most of them are, we have some very good players with TONS of potential, I do have my doubts that the majority will ever kick on, thats based mainly on a historical POV and the likelihood of a class of 92 ever appearing again.

As I say, as far as most of them go, it would be very, very unfair to judge any of them 1 way or the other.



I cant work DCL out at all, to me he has brief moments when I think hey up, but they are very brief, yet hes been picked by most of our managers and does have some very decent digits for the season 8 goals and 6 assists arent amazing figures by any stretch, but they are fairly decent. I honestly recall watching Harry Kane a few years ago and he was beyond dire, maybe thats what we are hoping, maybe, I just dont know Dave, hes a weird 1 for sure.

Well, as you say, tons of potential - and that has to be nurtured by a new coach. So we'll see. A big part of why I'd include them in those that need to be retained is that they haven't got the stink of defeatism, fecklessness and treachery about them that makes my stomach turn in relation to most of this first team squad outside those young players.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Is this a tacit admission that when we got shut of Roberto the much sought after decision to go with brawn rather than brain; fitness over finesse; territory over possession was the wrong one to make?

Now I'm not equating RM's Everton with Guardiola's City (in fact, this has nothing much to do with either man but all to do with the chosen methodological route wanted by fans and provided in the last two FT managerial appointments).

Have we learned a harsh lesson here over the last two seasons? I think we have. There was a hasty retreat made back to Moyes era football at a time when Moyes era football has simply broken down as a model. I think we're lost as a club and we need some drastic surgery to at least put us back on the road to renewal. There's no going back to Moyes. There's no future in that. I just wonder whether yesterday's game and fan reaction to it will have given those in decision making positions pause for thought.

If you’re waiting for the anti-Martinez brigade to admit they were wrong, I think you’ll be waiting a long time.

I saw the blind mob mentality at Wembley when despite having a threadbare squad & missing key players (having to play Besic at RB), he still sent a side out that created enough chances to win the game. They didn’t blame the striker who missed 4 great chances & a penalty or consider that the player who took his chance cost £60 million....

If only Moshiri had seen that & given him the money he gave Koeman.

 

[catcherintherye]

I watched City yesterday and did think they emulated the style of football that Martinez would have wanted to play. What also struck me, was many people (perhaps myself included) felt that style would not be possible in England, which has been debunked.

There will be a question as to whether it can only work with more money than others. I.E. it can work with the best players but not average players.

Alternatively people will ask what did it go wrong for us and well for City? I think City press higher and are fitter than our players. Lads like KDB you can see have shifted weight whereas Barkley (a similar player) seemed to put on weight. Barkley seemed to flatline and not kick on like Pep has got KDB to do. I do think that makes a big different too, he makes a huge difference for City and runs the game for them.

For me with Martinez it went wrong in his final season about half way through. Lukaku just wasn't clinical enough and games against Bournemouth, Norwich, Leicester, Stoke, Liverpool and Chelsea away around this period should have been wins and ended up draws/losses. Rather than going into the winter period in the top 6 we were in the bottom half. When the confidence drained away, the lack of fitness and not being in the top 6 became a perfect storm.

In Hindsight we are a lot worse off from removing Martinez. There's no way we spend 200 million plus and are still getting 50 points a season under him.

 

[jceverton]

I watched City yesterday and did think they emulated the style of football that Martinez would have wanted to play. What also struck me, was many people (perhaps myself included) felt that style would not be possible in England, which has been debunked.

There will be a question as to whether it can only work with more money than others. I.E. it can work with the best players but not average players.

Alternatively people will ask what did it go wrong for us and well for City? I think City press higher and are fitter than our players. Lads like KDB you can see have shifted weight whereas Barkley (a similar player) seemed to put on weight. Barkley seemed to flatline and not kick on like Pep has got KDB to do. I do think that makes a big different too, he makes a huge difference for City and runs the game for them.

For me with Martinez it went wrong in his final season about half way through. Lukaku just wasn't clinical enough and games against Bournemouth, Norwich, Leicester, Stoke, Liverpool and Chelsea away around this period should have been wins and ended up draws/losses. Rather than going into the winter period in the top 6 we were in the bottom half. When the confidence drained away, the lack of fitness and not being in the top 6 became a perfect storm.

In Hindsight we are a lot worse off from removing Martinez. There's no way we spend 200 million plus and are still getting 50 points a season under him.

C’mon Martinez was a poor manager because he didn’t have the fundamental
intensity and desire to master all aspects of the game. He ignored set plays, defensive shape & teamwork plus fitness. Guardiola, like the British cycling team & Liverpool in the 70’s/80’s pays attention to every little detail. He takes absolutely nothing for granted, will pull a player for not working within a strict team ethic and will not settle for anything less than perfection. This is a world away from Martinez. We did the right thing sacking him, we just did completely the wrong thing when replacing him and appointing Walsh

 

[Connor]

KDB got subbed yesterday and when people started clapping, I had no idea what was going on.

What a ground. What a club.

 

[COYBL25]

I watched City yesterday and did think they emulated the style of football that Martinez would have wanted to play. What also struck me, was many people (perhaps myself included) felt that style would not be possible in England, which has been debunked.

There will be a question as to whether it can only work with more money than others. I.E. it can work with the best players but not average players.

Alternatively people will ask what did it go wrong for us and well for City? I think City press higher and are fitter than our players. Lads like KDB you can see have shifted weight whereas Barkley (a similar player) seemed to put on weight. Barkley seemed to flatline and not kick on like Pep has got KDB to do. I do think that makes a big different too, he makes a huge difference for City and runs the game for them.

For me with Martinez it went wrong in his final season about half way through. Lukaku just wasn't clinical enough and games against Bournemouth, Norwich, Leicester, Stoke, Liverpool and Chelsea away around this period should have been wins and ended up draws/losses. Rather than going into the winter period in the top 6 we were in the bottom half. When the confidence drained away, the lack of fitness and not being in the top 6 became a perfect storm.

In Hindsight we are a lot worse off from removing Martinez. There's no way we spend 200 million plus and are still getting 50 points a season under him.

Without raking over the coals again, Pep`s Citteh team are exceptionally fit, which we weren`t under Martine. This was remarked upon by Koeman when he arrived.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I watched City yesterday and did think they emulated the style of football that Martinez would have wanted to play. What also struck me, was many people (perhaps myself included) felt that style would not be possible in England, which has been debunked.

In Hindsight we are a lot worse off from removing Martinez. There's no way we spend 200 million plus and are still getting 50 points a season under him.

Sorry just don't believe that, we were going backwards with a non-existent defence that were all younger than they are now and we had another 50 million pound player on top. You could have all the players in the world but if you don't set your team out to do the basics well you end up with nothing. I don't think Martinez's stock at the end of that 3rd season would have been great enough to get the better players, esp. defensively to kick on again. Koeman had the same issues, we just weren't considered a top team, remember the Southampton supporters giving it all that?

What will be interesting is will City have the same hunger to hunt down the ball like they do now? The Pep experiment isn't over yet he has to prove he can consistently win trophies year on year.

 

[stony]

Think you are reading way too much into it mate.

Nowt wrong with appreciating a terrific team or player. Remember Old Trafford applauding a Ream Madrid player who scored a hat trick against them when he was subbed. Remember Goodison staying pretty full when United were presented with the league trophy there not that long ago.

Anfield applauded Bristol City off after they beat them 0 1 years ago. Ashton Gate applauded the decent West Ham team of Brooking/Curbishly vintage in a cup game.

City fans applauded Arsenal off the pitch after getting a dry bumming at Maine Rd. Nothing wrong with football fans showing their appreciation of great football. It doesn't mean you're going to be changing allegiances.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I stayed behind to clap because we won the 2nd half. Not many teams win a half of football against a side like that, so it’s the least our lads deserved after 45 min of hard graft.