Usually I find you do a pretty good job and make it funny... but this was just meh. Reaching...
Edit on second thought kinda funny...
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Usually I find you do a pretty good job and make it funny... but this was just meh. Reaching...
Edit on second thought kinda funny...
We've forgotten a lot on this road. I find myself amazed at the narrative I hear from people on both sides of the political aisle along the lines of why were we even there in the first place and some even flipping it to we should have just focused on Iraq lol.
Like 10 years ago it was why are we in Iraq we should just be focused on afghanistan... which I agreed with that sentiment... if we're gonna be there.
We did, the US, did an incredible job of destabilizing an unstable region even more.
I place the blame at our feet, if allies wanna take some of it too, fine. Not that it matters, but I'm not gonna come on UK/English forum and act like it wasn't us who royally beeped this all up beyond reproach.
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Why are the UK government rushing into bringing tens of thousands of Afgan refugees into the UK when the Taliban are sending out signals that they are bringing about a positive future for all.
This government are completely stupid. Acting with haste when it’s not required and sitting back when urgent action is required.
This government are completely stupid. Acting with haste when it’s not required and sitting back when urgent action is required.
Yea I still disagree completely with that notion that Afghanistan is anything like the reconstruction of Germany and Japan. Again, the history, the temperament, the cultures of those populations are completely different than Afghanistan.
We were not in Germany or Japan for the people of Germany or Japan, as he said, we were there to counteract the "threat" of the soviet union. It was no longer an exercise in reconstruction or nation building. It was just part of the strategy of the cold war. How can you not see this? The focus of those troops was on whatever perceived threat we had over the USSR exerting influence over them.
The very fact we still have troops stationed in Japan and no Americans, well reasonable ones, really care or are concerned by it should be enough to illustrate the point of how different in nature these deployments are.
German citizens weren't taking up arms to expel the Americans after ww2. The suggestion that Japan or Germany would have collapsed or reverted to imperialistic ways if we withdrew less than 45 years after is a joke.
John Bolton is a joke. He's nothing but a Warhawk who likes sending other people's children off to war to keep himself relevant. He's a whore. His little pro-trump then tell all book after he fell out of favor for profits show this.
You watched that and actually thought that refuted anything? What simply because he trotted out your lame argument with no substance? "This guy has a name and he said the same thing so that makes me right"... is that really how simple you see the world?
I mean I don't understand how anyone could look at those 3 situations and think Germany and Japan provide any kind of relevant example to Afghanistan.
These people are continuing to fight American troops after 20 years. They weren't doing that in those other countries. I'm just going to stop because I'm repeating myself at this point and you obviously don't care to understand or you're completely incapable. I'm not sure which one is worse.
Just finished re-watching Rory Stewart's 2012 documentary on Afghanistan "The Great Game". Highly recommended, not least for being totally validated in it's conclusions for the American intervention and future Taliban response.
Well worth a watch, both parts are on You Tube.
Well worth a watch, both parts are on You Tube.
All he does is quote neoconservatives to support his arguments... what is this gibberish?
Agreed... These people will blow themselves up for their cause. They have no fear of death or being murdered by the enemy.
I remember, and I'm not at all a proponent for it, but people when the war first started comparing them to Japan. Saying you will never defeat them, they are killing themselves. You can't defeat that enemy.
The comparison and I can't remember if they were arguing for it, but they said only the nuclear bombs were able to defeat that as it showed that you're not going to die a death and be remembered by loved ones as martyrs. The people you are dying for are going to be killed in their homes by these bombs and thus your death pointless.
Whether that rhetoric would still work today I don't know, but I think it illustrates the resolve these people have and that 10, 20, 50 years of what we've been doing isn't going to change or defeat the cultures that exist there.
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Good post this.
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Do you trust the Taliban on this matter?
If everything turns out OK, I am sure that most will want to return home and be an asset to the new Afghanistan. If that's the mistake the government make, then I don't have a problem with it. Because if it's not a mistake, and let's be honest I don't think it is, the consequences of leaving them there is along the lines of torture and death which is not acceptable.
It's still grim that we speak for and make decisions on behalf of human beings like they're a piece of meat. Do they want to come here? If yes, we should be helping to make sure that happens.
It would also be nice if this situation helped to shift the apparent narrative that asylum seekers are liars out to fool and abuse us. We're changing the record re Afghans and need to do so for all refugees.
He is doing a fine job of getting Trump. Back in power.
on first seeing his speech the other day , I though yep I can see where your coming from , but let's break it down a bit.
he says the ANA refused to fight , they have lost 66,000 people the last decade most in the latter part.
prior to the rushed withdrawal they had being doing a relatively decent job of holding the Taliban, with leadership from a core force of NATO/USA troops offering leadership and training, the last USA death was 18 mths a go,
so it looks like somebody else was doing the hands on fighting on the ground not the USA
a recent report done for congress wanted the USA force to be expanded from 2500 to 4000, hardly fighting other people's wars as he states.
It has about 15000 troops in Italy and Spain for a bit of perspective.
The ANA was ordered to stop fighting , was demoralised from the moment the withdrawal was announced as it's leadership and Allies we seem to be leaving it
to it's own devices.
Its not an established army with years of training and tradition behind it,, so to take the leadership away abruptly , was only ever going to have one outcome , it becomes dysfunctional.
in doing so he has basically washed his hands of the deaths of the allied troops we have died and been maimed out there for what turns out to be
for absolutely nothing.
I have no problem with anybody leaving the country , as I have said previously it's a minefield ,but do it with a bit of thought for what you are leaving behind ,this on any scale has been handled very badly.
basically fk this I we are getting off, because it will play out well at home,that has backfired
Think one of Obama's administration said Bidon hasn't got a call on overseas policy right for 40yrs it looks like he has carried that run on.
He is tainted by this now, can't see how he will survive past his term in office.
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