Current Affairs Afghanistan

[NilSatisOptimum]

Dogs before people

Horrible civil servant that embassy bloke doing his job, undermining Patel and Raab.

 

[Tin-Tin]

This article makes for grim reading and makes you wonder where the money went.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

 

[Tubey]

Biden has got this completely, horribly wrong.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Biden has got this completely, horribly wrong.

It is an utter nightmare, have difficulty following the news it is so distressing and can’t comprehend what it must be like to actually be there.i

However I am really not clear what the “right answer“ is either after 20 years there. Was it always doomed to end this way?

 

[Yank]

I’m glad you don’t respect me. Your ignorance of international affairs and your complete lack of understanding of history, probably due to your age and lack of education, identifies you as someone I cannot have a rational discussion with. Welcome to the ignore button…..

You've said nothing of the like that reflects you've taken a class like comparative politics which would help you greatly understand why your post ww2 analogies and this aren't accurate.

Lol at you calling others uneducated, you've done nothing to show specifics or anything that supports what you believe.

Just ideological beliefs. If you can't see the difference you are helpless.

I admit when I'm wrong. I've thought over the last century or so in the post colonial period the UK had adopted policy of building coalitions when it comes to taking military action. They largely have.

I do know when to admit I'm wrong or ignorant. I wasn't aware of the Sierra Leone situation in the early 2000's. And I completely forgot about the Falklands in that moment. Pardon me for not being aware of the UK involvement in Sierea Leone when I was 10 lol. I will however read up on that because unlike you, I try to learn.

Not just seek out misnomers and misinformation to reinforce my viewpoints. Which is unfortunately a plague on humanity at this point.

Edit: I love that welcome to the ignore button.

Like anyone has gotten anything out of a conversation with you. And you got this far through life the way you are, and putting people on the ignore list lol. What a grown child. I'll take it as a compliment.

 

[Yank]

It is an utter nightmare, have difficulty following the news it is so distressing and can’t comprehend what it must be like to actually be there.i

However I am really not clear what the “right answer“ is either after 20 years there. Was it always doomed to end this way?

I think we were doomed to fail when we set out to nation build. Once that was the goal this was always going to be the end as another poster described just how much that area has to "mature" or grow to be the kind of nation we wanted.

I feel saying mature and grow are unfair words while that society had a ton to do in terms of human rights, I don't think us in the west just because we like how out societies are structured necessarily get to play God and deem what is good and bad in a society.

They have no history of democracy. To just go in there guns blazing and set it up and think it will stick is so naive.

 

[Yank]

The country is largely illiterate outside the cities, piss poor and fanatical in relation to there religion and the religious leaders in there area, families and tribes,
No way on earth you could sway the population with that background .
It was naive to think it was ever a possibility on the part of the political classes in the west.
Couple it with a corrupt regime, army and police not getting paid ect,
It's no wonder its ended in disaster.
Will now decent in civil war with outside influences all putting there two pence worth in,China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India the list goes on.
Horrible to say but that country and it's people are going to go through further conflict for decades.

This is the post I was referring to in my earlier post. These things can't be changed by an outsiders use of force in 20 years or 50 years. Schools, education and all that needs to go on for generations.

 

[Yank]

This article makes for grim reading and makes you wonder where the money went.

In the Heli with Ghani.

 

[Yank]

So are all the expert virologists on the internet now international diplomacy experts?

To be fair I live at a Holiday Inn because I can't afford a house... so it comes with my territory.

 

[cahill007]

Originally thought to be 800 - turned out on landing to be 640. The C-17 is specced to carry 120 and has only ever once before carried 300 but never this many.

Radio transcript between the RCH 871 and ATC.

apparently a c17 has carried 670 before in flood in 2013, Still a brave and courageous act for any pilot or air crew, the the C17 has a max payload of 77,000 kg so technically the plane may or may not have been within its capabilities but to even test that is a true act of bravery and it has given those people on board a chance at a decent life.

Inside Reach 871, A US C-17 Packed With 640 Afghans Trying to Escape the Taliban

The Air Force evacuation flight from Kabul to Qatar came near the record for most people ever flown in the Boeing airlifter.

www.defenseone.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Horrible scenes, but as previous posters said I'm not really sure what the right answer is in Afghanistan.

For as long as I've been alive the country has been forever associated with conflict - Soviet invasion, civil war, the Taliban, US invasion & foreign occupation. Sadly it just seems inevitable now the country is going to fall into the arms of a "strongman" type-leader.

 

[PhilM]

This thread explains a lot about the Afghan army thats getting criticised.

Late payment for long periods, no resupply of food, ammunition etc.

The Taliban are very well funded and will have offered them money and freedom to step aside so you can see why they would agree. $88b though, imagine what good that could have done in the world

The Taliban, while not some harmonious and well disciplined force, have a united purpose - a raison d’être they fall behind. It gives a level of cohesion.

The ANA couldn’t offer consistency due to all the reasons the article points to, which has meant poor discipline and even less cohesion as a force.

I saw the same problems with my own eyes in Iraq, and you could look back at the ARVN (Vietnam) too for examples of overly ambitious expectations.

Put simply, ‘training’ won’t work if they don’t want to fight or their reasoning for being there isn’t what it needs to be; recruit, recruits disappear, recruit…

 

[longers]

I'm probably completely wrong but I can't believe the world is going to sit back and watch the horror unfold..

equally if not far worse horrors unfold in the likes of Yemen all the time and no one in the west cares

no way Biden sends troops back, it would make him look ridiculous.