Current Affairs 78 Year Old Arrested For Murder After Stabbing Burglar

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

i seemed to have inadvertently stumbled on the daily mail here.

 

[jaycee]

Strange forum this,a thread about knife crime and then another saying its wrong to investigate somebody for stabbing another person to death

 

[Pettifogger]

Not antagonizing, is it normal for one to be arrested for "suspicion of murder" in a case like this in the UK? I understand he may be cleared subsequently, I'm largely wondering about the order of arrest-investigation-decision on charges

 

[Lee Smith]

Think its still reasonable force isnt it?

eg- if i see someone in my garden trying to steal a plant, i shout at him and he tries to jump the fence, i then grab him off the fence and stab him repeatedly until he dies... then thats prob considered unreasonable

Depends, how pretty was said plant?

 

[Harryflashman]

Not antagonizing, is it normal for one to be arrested for "suspicion of murder" in a case like this in the UK? I understand he may be cleared subsequently, I'm largely wondering about the order of arrest-investigation-decision on charges

Yeah from what I understand completely normal . The US investigates and at the end arrests whilst in the Uk the arrest is pretty early in the whole thing . In order to be able to seize clothing etc then the Uk police are likely going to arrest a suspect .

 

[peteblue]

Your stereotypical assumption isn’t true.

In what way....

 

[peteblue]

Strange forum this,a thread about knife crime and then another saying its wrong to investigate somebody for stabbing another person to death

Well there’s a thread about knife crime where no one ever seems to get arrested, then another about an armed burglary where the burglary victim is arrested.....strange indeed......

 

[Harryflashman]

Well there’s a thread about knife crime where no one ever seems to get arrested, then another about an armed burglary where the burglary victim is arrested.....strange indeed......

Why ? I don’t want understand the puzzlement. If the police had turned up and shot the householder in the head or he’d already been sentenced to 30 years i’d get it but it’s the police investigating a death which is surely one of their main roles .

The last time I can see somebody charged in similar circumstances he was a paranoid schizophrenic that stabbed the burglar 50 times as he fled . In the majority of cases the the matter is investigated and closed .

 

[jaycee]

Well there’s a thread about knife crime where no one ever seems to get arrested, then another about an armed burglary where the burglary victim is arrested.....strange indeed......

One person has been investigated for stabbing another to death,what is supposed to happen? You cannot just pat the man on the back say well done and be on your way

 

[peteblue]

One person has been investigated for stabbing another to death,what is supposed to happen? You cannot just pat the man on the back say well done and be on your way

Of course not and no one is saying that. Well, actually the guys neighbours and friends are saying that but I wouldn’t. However I do find it upsetting when homes are invaded by Burglars and home owners are arrested for defending their property or indeed their lives, unless of course the guy who died did not break in and it was a cunning plot by the 78 year old to murder someone......

 

[peteblue]

Why ? I don’t want understand the puzzlement. If the police had turned up and shot the householder in the head or he’d already been sentenced to 30 years i’d get it but it’s the police investigating a death which is surely one of their main roles .

The last time I can see somebody charged in similar circumstances he was a paranoid schizophrenic that stabbed the burglar 50 times as he fled . In the majority of cases the the matter is investigated and closed .

Indeed, but I fully expect our Police and CPS to charge him and take him to court. He will be found not guilty, but not before going through a couple of years of pure hell and misery. This could have happened in anyone’s house to anyone of us and it just isn’t fair. If the Police had reason to believe that the 78 year old had deliberately set out to trap and murder someone in his house then fair enough, but not when it is as currently reported......

 

[Harryflashman]

Of course not and no one is saying that. Well, actually the guys neighbours and friends are saying that but I wouldn’t. However I do find it upsetting when homes are invaded by Burglars and home owners are arrested for defending their property or indeed their lives, unless of course the guy who died did not break in and it was a cunning plot by the 78 year old to murder someone......

Do you think the man being 78 precludes the possibility of murder ? I’d have thought somebody of advancing years would be more likely to say a 78 year old was as capable of anything of somebody younger .

 

[jaycee]

Of course not and no one is saying that. Well, actually the guys neighbours and friends are saying that but I wouldn’t. However I do find it upsetting when homes are invaded by Burglars and home owners are arrested for defending their property or indeed their lives, unless of course the guy who died did not break in and it was a cunning plot by the 78 year old to murder someone......

Im not defending the burglar pete,but I wasnt there I dont have evidence and statements and the police investigating and questioning cleara up any doubts as to what happened

 

[peteblue]

Do you think the man being 78 precludes the possibility of murder ? I’d have thought somebody of advancing years would be more likely to say a 78 year old was as capable of anything of somebody younger .

Certainly not. However at 78 the anguish and pressure of the investigation will almost certainly affect the old boys health. If it was a 45 year old I would hold the same views except that it would probably affect his career/business rather than his health. Either way the initial victim suffers.....

 

[peteblue]

Im not defending the burglar pete,but I wasnt there I dont have evidence and statements and the police investigating and questioning cleara up any doubts as to what happened

None of us were, we are just putting across a view about how we see this particular set of circumstances either from a dispassionate viewpoint (which is usually what I do but didn’t in this case) or from a more empathetic viewpoint (which I usually don’t do but have this time)......