Current Affairs 78 Year Old Arrested For Murder After Stabbing Burglar

[Snowball]

For defending himself in his own home,which i thought changed a few years ago to allow that,if attacked at home,so the way this works,almost like its ok for the owner to stand still and be attacked by the burglar with a screwdriver,if burglar died later on all his own fault for breaking in bringing weapon into that mans house,,,if he attacked him down the road etc and the man died fair enough but he did not,man should be free now,if someone broke in tonight armed etc, i would kill them if it needed done,wouldnt stand there and let them do what they wanted etc,you can imagine how scared the 78 year old would have been

No, you said it wasn't the fault of the 78 year old man that the burglar died, of the very few facts we know of the case, that is one that is not refuted.

 

[Moomin]

We can't use his age of 78 as some sort of defence to be allowed to take a life.

The Police will follow procedures in place and come to the conclusion if he used excessive force or rightfully defended himself.

 

[McBain]

I think once you reach a certain age you should be able to murder who ever you like.

Was that story a few years ago about a burgler suing someone as they fell onto some knives in the kitchen while they were breaking in an urban legend?

 

[Harryflashman]

Of course. They have to follow procedure......he was already charged with assault, now of course it’s murder.......the original crime of breaking and entering with a weapon is ignored.......

Unless I’ve missed the updates he hasn’t been charged with anything has he ? There is simply a crime being investigated, somebody has been stabbed to death . now most likely that will be in self defence but simply because the alleged offender is pensioner or the victim seems to be a burglar can’t frame the investigation. I say this as somebody with no particular love for either the police or certainly the type of person that would burglar somebody’s house, but procedures have to be followed.In the way that it’s a tragedy when a child dies even though it may be SIDS the parents still have to be investigated or we find ourselves in a poppy Worthington situation.

Several burglars have been killed by homeowners and no chargers brought, it’s not as simple as dead burglar charge the householder . The two I can think of where they faced charges were Tony Martin who lay in wait with an illegal shotgun and shot the burglar in the back as he ran away and a more recent one where the burglar was again caught in the garden and stabbed 50 times after the homeowner had followed him. The second case I’ve mentioned the fella was acquitted and in Martin’s case he wasn’t found guilty by the cps , the police , government or even the European court but by a jury of his peers .

As regards this case I’ve no idea what’s happened but I’m sure we’d all agree the police have to investigate otherwise anyone over 65 could stab somebody in their house , say they were a burglar and that would be that . If the facts are as reported I genuinely feel for the person arrested but It’s the only way to investigate and resolve the situation surely ? If the matter goes further than I think we’d have to assume there as slightly more to the circumstances than the other incidents such as in Salford, north London or Bramhall where burglars/intruders were confronted and killed and nobody was charged .

 

[edge]

Poor fella , been burgled . then caught up in a murder case, hope he gets the right support to get through this.
Anyone breaking into somebody else home is a scumbag, to many serial burglars getting soft sentences and police to stretched to anything worthwhile to stop it, normally a visit off a finger print guy then nothing.
Once helped catch a fella who had broken into a house in Aigburth, when the police caught up with his mate at his flat, they found stuff from 18 different houses they had done in over a two day period.

 

[PhilM]

Once helped catch a fella who had broken into a house in Aigburth, when the police caught up with his mate at his flat, they found stuff from 18 different houses they had done in over a two day period.

You'll find that they often do a few houses that are in close proximity to each other and all within a short-period and then move to a new area.

Recently there was a woman in West Derby who went to the aid of her aunty who'd just been burgled, to come back to her house then turned over.

 

[peteblue]

Unless I’ve missed the updates he hasn’t been charged with anything has he ? There is simply a crime being investigated, somebody has been stabbed to death . now most likely that will be in self defence but simply because the alleged offender is pensioner or the victim seems to be a burglar can’t frame the investigation. I say this as somebody with no particular love for either the police or certainly the type of person that would burglar somebody’s house, but procedures have to be followed.In the way that it’s a tragedy when a child dies even though it may be SIDS the parents still have to be investigated or we find ourselves in a poppy Worthington situation.

Several burglars have been killed by homeowners and no chargers brought, it’s not as simple as dead burglar charge the householder . The two I can think of where they faced charges were Tony Martin who lay in wait with an illegal shotgun and shot the burglar in the back as he ran away and a more recent one where the burglar was again caught in the garden and stabbed 50 times after the homeowner had followed him. The second case I’ve mentioned the fella was acquitted and in Martin’s case he wasn’t found guilty by the cps , the police , government or even the European court but by a jury of his peers .

As regards this case I’ve no idea what’s happened but I’m sure we’d all agree the police have to investigate otherwise anyone over 65 could stab somebody in their house , say they were a burglar and that would be that . If the facts are as reported I genuinely feel for the person arrested but It’s the only way to investigate and resolve the situation surely ? If the matter goes further than I think we’d have to assume there as slightly more to the circumstances than the other incidents such as in Salford, north London or Bramhall where burglars/intruders were confronted and killed and nobody was charged .

Indeed, but he’s 78 and still in a police cell. How long does it take to determine if men broke into a house. There is an inevitability about the police these days, young scrotes on scooters roam about London, block roads and even try to remove BBC cameras off a Thames bridge, not a single one of the near 32,000 police anywhere around. 78 year old stabs burglar and the place is overrun with Police. It’s exactly the same with that Army Major who is now being investigated for the 8th time over a death in Iraq. I know this sounds like an old guys knee jerk rant, but we do seem brilliant at throwing resources at the easy targets and doing sod all against the more difficult cases.....

 

[Prevenger17]

I know this sounds like an old guys knee jerk rant

It does, but so do all of your other posts

 

[Prevenger17]

Let them investigate it ffs. If they file charges, I'll throw the first petrol bomb myself

 

[edge]

You'll find that they often do a few houses that are in close proximity to each other and all within a short-period and then move to a new area.

Recently there was a woman in West Derby who went to the aid of her aunty who'd just been burgled, to come back to her house then turned over.

that exactly what had happened , it was all from three streets next to each other.

 

[peteblue]

Well, it is particularly hard to charge someone if they're dead, nevertheless I do not think that it will be being ignored by the Police and CPS.

There's two likely option:

• he'll be released as the force he has used is proportionate to the threat he was facing - two intruders who are armed etc. etc. etc.
  
• the home-owner will be charged as they've used disproportionate force - they weren't threatening life or he's been frenzied in his attack,

I have a gut feeling it may be leaning towards the latter as he's actually been arrested quite quickly; it could have been questioning under caution.

In such scenarios, the case of Tony Martin is often brought up as he was arrested, charged and eventually convicted of murder in a similar case.

However, he decided to let three rounds into a lad as he was running away and when injured climbing out of a window - that was disproportionate.

I have no doubt that if taken to court a jury will come back with the correct result, whatever that happens to be, I just don’t like the way that a homeowner who’s property has been invaded is immediately arrested and kept in a cell. The police used to investigate burglaries and support homeowners, now they investigate homeowners and support Burglars. It’s exactly the same when ‘travellers’ invade someone’s land, the police will do nothing, but if the landowner tries to throw them out the police will be all over them. It’s perverse......

 

[Harryflashman]

Indeed, but he’s 78 and still in a police cell. How long does it take to determine if men broke into a house. There is an inevitability about the police these days, young scrotes on scooters roam about London, block roads and even try to remove BBC cameras off a Thames bridge, not a single one of the near 32,000 police anywhere around. 78 year old stabs burglar and the place is overrun with Police. It’s exactly the same with that Army Major who is now being investigated for the 8th time over a death in Iraq. I know this sounds like an old guys knee jerk rant, but we do seem brilliant at throwing resources at the easy targets and doing sod all against the more difficult cases.....

To be honest we’ve no idea what’s going on or what’s being said . The fella could be exercising his right not to answer questions , he could have given an account the police have driven a coach and horses through , he might no the people or like the case I mentioned above he might have stabbed the bloke 50 times . What I’m trying to say is we just don’t know , on the face of it it seems harsh but it’s got to be investigated. Otherwise if they do a rubbish job he’ll be back there again in a month or so . I’m saying this as somebody whose had the misfortune to find themselves in a police cell in different but vaguely similar circumstances.

 

[peteblue]

It does, but so do all of your other posts

That’s because I’m an old guy and it’s knee jerk comments that keep this place going........

 

[PhilM]

I have no doubt that if taken to court a jury will come back with the correct result, whatever that happens to be, I just don’t like the way that a homeowner who’s property has been invaded is immediately arrested and kept in a cell. The police used to investigate burglaries and support homeowners, now they investigate homeowners and support Burglars. It’s exactly the same when ‘travellers’ invade someone’s land, the police will do nothing, but if the landowner tries to throw them out the police will be all over them. It’s perverse......

Neither do I. However thinking objectively, how it's currently panning out may suggest that it's not as simple as a act of defending himself.

Do you think most cops would want to instantly arrest him? No, so I'd be inclined to think there must have been reasonable grounds to do so.

 

[Harryflashman]

I have no doubt that if taken to court a jury will come back with the correct result, whatever that happens to be, I just don’t like the way that a homeowner who’s property has been invaded is immediately arrested and kept in a cell. The police used to investigate burglaries and support homeowners, now they investigate homeowners and support Burglars. It’s exactly the same when ‘travellers’ invade someone’s land, the police will do nothing, but if the landowner tries to throw them out the police will be all over them. It’s perverse......

But the jury can’t come back with the right result unless the matter is investigated first can they ?