Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Biden should've been the candidate in 2016, and we'd have never had Orange Shitler.

Now this is possible, I could get on board with this.

 

[tsubaki]

Sanders would have been slaughtered in 2016.

Can you imagine the ads calling him a Socialist?

Game over here. Might as well say that the Super Bowl champion shouldn't be called "world champions" because we only play football in the US

He would have been, but that would have been because his own side would have spent the entire campaign sabotaging his efforts. The ads calling him a socialist / far left extremist etc would have come anyway.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

They've had one for nearly 4 years - sticking another in his place doesn't make much difference.

As for criminal, it's alleged Joe Biden was involved in Hunter's corruption charges.



They're 2 cheeks of the same arse mate, only 1 is senile and the other is orange.

One has 22 different charges or something the other....none.

 

[Tommy Chong]

We didn't understand the cult of personality surrounding Trump in 2016. By we I mean college educated white collar people.

I could be wrong here. But my belief, with the benefit of hindsight, is Sanders is too much of an intelligent-adjacent personality to win those people over vs Trump. They want Trump because "he tells it like it is" and doesn't use those highfalutin words. It's easier to buy in to the blame game rather than rational lines of thinking.

Not enough people 'Felt the Bern', so to speak... Trump would have played him off as 'Lenin MK II'.

Biden should've been the candidate in 2016, and we'd have never had Orange Shitler.

Or if Romney went for the GOP's Presidential nomination in 2016 instead of 2012... So many 'what if's'.

Harry potter cast the cuntius stupidius spell on her.

Having never partook in the Harry Potter universe at all, books or films... Isn't 'Muggle' another word for that?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Any of the Trump supporters care to explain how Trump’s policies are going to address this voter’s desire for a) higher prices for the items he sells b) lower prices for the things he buys?

 

[d34noj]

One has 22 different charges or something the other....none.

Just stating the hypocrisy mate.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Just stating the hypocrisy mate.

No, you aren't. If both had been guilty of sex crimes then, yes, it would be. ONLY ONE HAS

 

[bluestevon]

@GoldenToffee Btw on illegal immigration it is already down to lower than when Trump ended his presidency

Donald Trump should have the easiest presidency ever - Kevin Drum

Donald Trump might be the luckiest guy in the world. First off, in a single day he (a) was elected president of the United States, (b) escaped all of his criminal prosecutions, and (c) made several billion dollars from his now valuable holdings of Truth Social. He's also accomplished all of his...

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He says he'll rein in illegal immigration, and it's already reined in. What's more, job demand has plummeted so pressure on the border will remain low.

Here's the thing though, forgive me if I'm.getting this wrong don't the figures you show only give the number of encounters between border patrol agents and illegal immigrants crossing over who are essentially caught.

So say the number each year is static and you increase finding you'll detect more therefore it appears the number of illegal immigrants is rising.
Similarly if you reduce funding or the number of patrols likewise the number will appear to be decreasing.
Also if you have certain crossing hot spots how you police those will massively alter the figures.

Same thing with crime rates. Wish for crime to go down without it going down you can do one of a few things - decriminalise certain things, say marijuana, downgrade certain things from a felony to a misdemeanor. Or say stop reporting your figures from a certain district, county etc. all ways if changing the data for optics rather than actually addressing the problem.

On a similar economic and employment data can be reported very differently depending what you decide to include, see zero hour contracts in the UK meaning you're working even when often you're not

 

[TimHowardsBeardJuice]

I can also see them bogging down the approval process. That was one of the main points against the vaccines was about how they apparently were granted exceptions over testing timelines. Any barriers they can put up, they will.

I'm an attorney specializing in government regulation. One of the difficulties of modern American life is that it's harder to do good things on a big scale because they can be delayed and watered down in a death of a thousand cuts kind of way. I say that as a Democrat who thinks government can and should help people and should also be restrained from hurting people.

 

[WA Toffee]

See, people wondering "how could this happen". Well its simple. Its this complete and utter sensationlist, exaggerated, BS right here that the Democrats and the Democrat run media have pushed for the last 4 years... no, 9 years, that has caused people to take stock and say, "No, ive had enough".

They pushed the narrative so hard, and tried to say that Jan 6th was "worse than 9/11", after spending a literal whole year defending much worse and much more violent attacks by activists all around the country, including firebombing St Johns church near the white house as being "mostly peaceful".

They called Trump a literal "Nazi", which he literally isn't, but it sounds better in a soundbite than "meanie". And thats since 2015. And all the way through to as recently as this week, when Obama chimed in again with the completely untrue "Nazis are fine people" hoax, that im pretty sure most people who dont like him still believe.

Thats Obama, Clinton, Harris, and Biden who have all used it in this election cycle, knowing its a lie, to push a false narrative, and the supposed impartial msm news channels (again, plural) fail time and time again to fact check.

Saying he was holding a Nazi Rally in MSG, when its been used by JFK, Jimmy Carter and i think Clinton as well if memory serves me. But no, this 1 is different. How dare he hold a rally in his home town.

Its dishonest, its corrupt, and people are tired of it.

I thought Everton fans might see it for what it is, given our treatment by the powers that be and lapdog media. But seemingly no.

"Premier League. Corrupt as f***k.
US Democrat Government and its media puppets. All above board"

Quite catchy. I wonder if we can get it going at the next game?

And if you need a reason for why they would possibly go to such lengths? Its simple. Trump is an outsider who should never have been able to do what he did, and he embarrassed them in their arrogance.

Twice.

That's a long winded way of saying "you are right"

 

[davek]

He never won enough momentum to change the day and any real socially progressive class concerned candidate will face the same issues.

The establishment threw him away in favour of Clinton because they didn't believe that the public would believe in his class-based messaging so they hung their hats on the idea of a first woman president representing being "progressive". All it did was tell the poors that the liberal elites managing the party don't want to focus on their issues, so they went to Trump who told them it was OK to be angry.

Well they have a decision to make now. They either turn away from elite candidates or they fail.

Biden won in 2020 because he promised to be a pragmatic deal maker and get stuff done for blue collar workers. It was all top down stuff but it at least appealed to those left behind.

Someone like Ocasio-Cortez has real job experience and could appeal to the Latino electorate. That's the type of candidate to go with - although no doubt it'd be Newsom or another man next time around.

 

[davek]

Here's where I get so frustrated though.

The GOP isn't doing anything for working people either. In fact, they are running on things that will actively hurt working people. They don't care. Trump says I'll bring down the price of groceries and they lap it up. The only way to bring down the price of groceries would be to implement government regulations/socialism (gasp), which they hate. The GOP is only offering them someone to blame for their plight (and it's not who's actually to blame, like the billionaires that sent their jobs overseas and busting unions in places like western PA and WV).

Biden actually did do things for working families, and unions. But b/c it ensured they had a job rather than lost it, and b/c inflation made things cost more, these people felt like the economy was bad, when it's truly not bad, and in fact it's good. But people vote on feelings, not facts.

So Bernie can say whatever lip service he wants, and these voters can wrap everything up into "the economy is bad" but I know enough of these people, personally, that all of this is nonsense. It's really code for something else. Everyone wants a quick fix for everything as it relates to blue collar jobs, when no one can snap their fingers and make jobs appear out of thin air (which the Biden Admin actually did by the way with the IRA).

The economy might not be doing bad but was that transferring to living standards? I dont think it was just perception.

 

[Efcjake]

Here's where I get so frustrated though.

The GOP isn't doing anything for working people either. In fact, they are running on things that will actively hurt working people. They don't care. Trump says I'll bring down the price of groceries and they lap it up. The only way to bring down the price of groceries would be to implement government regulations/socialism (gasp), which they hate. The GOP is only offering them someone to blame for their plight (and it's not who's actually to blame, like the billionaires that sent their jobs overseas and busting unions in places like western PA and WV).

Biden actually did do things for working families, and unions. But b/c it ensured they had a job rather than lost it, and b/c inflation made things cost more, these people felt like the economy was bad, when it's truly not bad, and in fact it's good. But people vote on feelings, not facts.

So Bernie can say whatever lip service he wants, and these voters can wrap everything up into "the economy is bad" but I know enough of these people, personally, that all of this is nonsense. It's really code for something else. Everyone wants a quick fix for everything as it relates to blue collar jobs, when no one can snap their fingers and make jobs appear out of thin air (which the Biden Admin actually did by the way with the IRA).

Trump's not offering them any actual solutions, all he's offering them is the approval for their anger and plenty of convenient targets to point it at.

That's enough for them to feel like they're getting something in return for their vote. If other people are upset then the misery is spread around and they take satisfaction from that.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Well they have a decision to make now. They either turn away from elite candidates or they fail.

Biden won in 2020 because he promised to be a pragmatic deal maker and get stuff done for blue collar workers. It was all top down stuff but it at least appealed to those left behind.

Someone like Ocasio-Cortez has real job experience and could appeal to the Latino electorate. That's the type of candidate to go with - although no doubt it'd be Newsom or another man next time around.

Newsom has the chutzpah required to go toe to toe with today's GOP. That's a plus

But I can't think of any Democrat, anywhere, more ill-suited to speak to working class Americans.

But in today's climate, who knows? Perhaps the sparkle of someone like Newsom who talks loud and carries a big stick is what's required. A macho man so to speak with a leftward social bent.

It's an interesting social experiment, that's for sure

AOC - I mean. Just no

 

[Efcjake]

The economy might not be doing bad but was that transferring to living standards? I dont think it was just perception.

The economy, same as above the border, has recovered from the inflation impacts caused by COVID.

The cost of living issues are down to wages not increasing to match that inflation and nobody is going to do anything to help that. Prices go up but nobody is paying any better and here we are. They can't vote out their employers but they will hold the government responsible for the inflation.

Trump has claimed his tariff plan will bring jobs back to he US and it's essentially guaranteed to do the opposite.