Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Well they have a decision to make now. They either turn away from elite candidates or they fail.

Biden won in 2020 because he promised to be a pragmatic deal maker and get stuff done for blue collar workers. It was all top down stuff but it at least appealed to those left behind.

Someone like Ocasio-Cortez has real job experience and could appeal to the Latino electorate. That's the type of candidate to go with - although no doubt it'd be Newsom or another man next time around.

Biden won in 2020 because of Trump's dumpster fire handling of COVID, plus just enough people were sick and tired of his schtick

 

[Charro]

It's an interesting argument - would working class voters in 2016 vote with the economy in mind (Sanders) or the culture war stuff (Trump). It's interesting and I think it would have been a wash

On the college educated side of things, Sanders would have had less support than Clinton, because of the socialism, whatever that means. So Sanders would have bled white voters in the suburbs.

I think a lot of sanders supporters would now be trump supporters.

 

[Toffeepot]

As for criminal, it's alleged Joe Biden was involved in Hunter's corruption charges.

1. What corruption charges?
2. The star witnesses ( brought in by the republicans) in their showcase hearings stated Biden had nothing to do with Hunter's dealings
3. What corruption charges?

Is there no end to the swallowing of Fox propaganda without even chewing

 

[Efcjake]

Well they have a decision to make now. They either turn away from elite candidates or they fail.

Biden won in 2020 because he promised to be a pragmatic deal maker and get stuff done for blue collar workers. It was all top down stuff but it at least appealed to those left behind.

Someone like Ocasio-Cortez has real job experience and could appeal to the Latino electorate. That's the type of candidate to go with - although no doubt it'd be Newsom or another man next time around.

Biden won in 2020, largely I feel down to people genuinely being afraid of what a man advising sunlight and UV and Bleach as medical treatments would do to a country in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century.

Once the safe pair of hands got them through that period they went back to being focused in their bank accounts.

Classism really doesn't work in the US, they all believe that things will get better for them individually if they pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They just don't have the same relationships with social security safety nets that Brits do. It's very much a screw you I got mine mentality you find in London. Not every American is like this but I find they prioritize personal responsibility over community support as generalization. I largely believe it comes from the pioneer mentality from the origins of their sovereignty.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Here's the thing though, forgive me if I'm.getting this wrong don't the figures you show only give the number of encounters between border patrol agents and illegal immigrants crossing over who are essentially caught.

So say the number each year is static and you increase finding you'll detect more therefore it appears the number of illegal immigrants is rising.
Similarly if you reduce funding or the number of patrols likewise the number will appear to be decreasing.
Also if you have certain crossing hot spots how you police those will massively alter the figures.

Agree that how you measure an issue can affect the data even if the underlying data itself has not changed. An example is Trump saying we should stop testing for COVID to avoid the cases rising.

Trump suggests US slow virus testing to avoid bad statistics

TULSA, Okla. (AP) — President Donald Trump said Saturday he's asked his administration to slow down coronavirus testing because robust testing turns up too many cases of COVID-19.

apnews.com

Trump told supporters at his campaign rally that the U.S. has tested 25 million people, far more than any other country. The “bad part,” Trump said, is that widespread testing leads to logging more cases of the virus.“When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases,” Trump said. “So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’ They test and they test.”

But border funding has increased

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Homeland%20Security%20FY24%20Bill%20Highlights.pdf

● Provides funding for more than 2,000 additional Border Patrol agents (bringing the total funded level to 22,000) and 150 new Port of Entry officers.

Happy to look at any other data on border crossings that you think reflects a recording issue rather than an actual drop.

 

[davek]

You keep harping on foreign issues like Gaza when Americans, by and large, don't care about this. Like at all.

You give Americans too much credit to think it even entered the consciousness of anyone who voted Tuesday other than a handful (electorally speaking) of Arab Americans

I think you're a bit too pessimistic on American attitude to what's happening in the Middle East. A majority of Americans oppose what's happening to the Gazans.

Of course you cant just campaign on Gaza as a single issue - that'd get you nowhere. But as part of a package of progressive policies it takes its place.

One of the major conclusions the Democrats will draw from their inquiry into what went wrong will be that they failed to take on board the concerns of a significant but marginalised group like the Arab-Americans and underestimated the toxicity to their own campaign of critics of an unethical foreign policy.

Next time will be all about presenting a clear difference between themselves and the mouthpiece of Trumpism who will be presented to them as an opponent.

 

[Toffeepot]

Biden won in 2020, largely I feel down to people genuinely being afraid of what a man advising sunlight and UV and Bleach as medical treatments would do to a country in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century.

Once the safe pair of hands got them through that period they went back to being focused in their bank accounts.

Classism really doesn't work in the US, they all believe that things will get better for them individually if they pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They just don't have the same relationships with social security safety nets that Brits do. It's very much a screw you I got mine mentality you find in London. Not every American is like this but I find they prioritize personal responsibility over community support as generalization. I largely believe it comes from the pioneer mentality from the origins of their sovereignty.

This, and the unwillingness of Government leaders to create a safety net, because how would the big donors get their investment back if the little guy was looked after

 

[davek]

Harry potter cast the cuntius stupidius spell on her.

 

[Efcjake]

Biden should've been the candidate in 2016, and we'd have never had Orange Shitler.

I disagree with this.

Biden is as milquetoast as they come. I remain convinced the only reason he saw a presidency was because of the insane nonsense Trump spouted at the beginning of COVID scared some people into sense.

If he had any sway at all with the public vs Trump then Harris is still VP.

 

[Toffeepot]

I think you're a bit too pessimistic on American attitude to what's happening in the Middle East. A majority of Americans oppose what's happening to the Gazans.

Of course you cant just campaign on Gaza as a single issue - that'd get you nowhere. But as part of a package of progressive policies it takes its place.

One of the major conclusions the Democrats will draw from their inquiry into what went wrong will be that they failed to take on board the concerns of a significant but marginalised group like the Arab-Americans and underestimated the toxicity to their own campaign of critics of an unethical foreign policy.

Next time will be all about presenting a clear difference between themselves and the mouthpiece of Trumpism presented to them as an opponent.

There are a lot of people in the States appalled at what is happening in the Gaza, that's for sure, but their 'attitude' is blame the incumbent and not listen to what the other candidate has said regarding the same issue, which is significantly worse. That gives justification for being pessimistic about American attitudes to the crisis.

 

[Blue 1]

I disagree with this.

Biden is as milquetoast as they come. I remain convinced the only reason he saw a presidency was because of the insane nonsense Trump spouted at the beginning of COVID scared some people into sense.

If he had any sway at all with the public vs Trump then Harris is still VP.

2016 Biden is not the same beast as 2024 Biden, and he'd not have had to do a lot better than Clinton to beat Trump then. He was a popular VP as I remember.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think you're a bit too pessimistic on American attitude to what's happening in the Middle East. A majority of Americans oppose what's happening to the Gazans.

Of course you cant just campaign on Gaza as a single issue - that'd get you nowhere. But as part of a package of progressive policies it takes its place.

One of the major conclusions the Democrats will draw from their inquiry into what went wrong will be that they failed to take on board significant but marginalised groups like Arab-Americans and underestimated the toxicity to their ow campaign of critics of an unethical foreign policy.

Next time will be all about presenting a clear difference between themselves and the mouthpiece of Trumpism presented to them as an opponent.

If a majority of Americans oppose what's happening in Gaza, which I generally think is true in an abstract sense, then why did they just vote for an Administration that, pretty much all parties objectively believe, will make things demonstrably worse for Palestinians.

So in order for both things to be true it's because it's not top of mind for those voters. They're like, yeah in a perfect world I wish that stuff wasn't going on over there, how terrible.

Then quickly they move on to why can't these people just speak English at the CVS down the street, how are my investments doing today, wow that tank of gas I just bought for my $90K house on wheels just cost me $100, and man I gotta call my internet provider again b/c it's not working - the world is ending.

They just don't care enough to make it an issue that moves the dial. Really

 

[davek]

The economy, same as above the border, has recovered from the inflation impacts caused by COVID.

The cost of living issues are down to wages not increasing to match that inflation and nobody is going to do anything to help that. Prices go up but nobody is paying any better and here we are. They can't vote out their employers but they will hold the government responsible for the inflation.

Trump has claimed his tariff plan will bring jobs back to he US and it's essentially guaranteed to do the opposite.

There had to be pressure applied to force employers to pay more. The Biden administration could have chosen to lead the way and hand out public sector wage increases. They scaled down the rate of federal workers wage increases just this year to 2%.

 

[davek]

There are a lot of people in the States appalled at what is happening in the Gaza, that's for sure, but their 'attitude' is blame the incumbent and not listen to what the other candidate has said regarding the same issue, which is significantly worse. That gives justification for being pessimistic about American attitudes to the crisis.

Governments lose elections, opposition parties seldom win them.

 

[neil999]

I like AOC but I'm not sure the American electorate is ready for her haha