Current Affairs 2017 General Election
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samsonthedog1
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The best thing i think she should have done is formed a tory minority government, and openly said its just short term so the brexit talks can start, but bring in a cross party delegation to help with the process.
Then tell everyone that there will be a leadership contest within the conservative party and the winner of that will hold another election after the brexit negotiations have finished.
Then tell everyone that there will be a leadership contest within the conservative party and the winner of that will hold another election after the brexit negotiations have finished.
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Dear Theresa, it's not the number of MPs that counts it's how you use them. You have to do more with less that's all
Dear Theresa, it's not the number of MPs that counts it's how you use them. You have to do more with less that's all
I'm not limiting it to leaders though Tim, I'm just making the point that that the DUP have direct association to paramilitaries. They even formed their own armed grouping and that is historical record.
The hypocrisy of the Tories for lambasting Corbyn for speaking to Gerry Adams is startling when they jump into bed with this party for pure political expediency directly after the election.
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Hahaha that's brutal.
The people/politics/history/ of Northern Ireland has begone to be looked at by people in this country. Before this, Northern Ireland may as well have been on Mars as far as interest from people in the UK was concerned. The lies, slurs and innuendos against Corbyn that, 'Corbyn supports the IRA/terrorists/terrorism - not true', from the Tories and the anti Corbyn brigade in the media and parliament, in order to attempt to discredit him and try and make him un-electable have fallen flat. Most people in the UK were/are unaware of the history of the place. Now with the Tories getting in bed with the DUP for political advantage to keep the them in No 10 that has changed.
Northern Ireland has become a topic people want to know about in order to understand. Social media will be/is awash with the 'DUP gun runners support terrorists/terrorism'. The history of Ireland and the involvement of the British in that country is about to scrutinised like never before.
It will tell the story about the Elizabethan crusade into Ireland, the Scottish and English 'Planters' who took the land off the natives. It will show the first slaves were the Irish taken to colonise the Carribean and the Americas and Australia by forced deportation. They will find out that during the famine in Ireland, grain was exported by Trevelyan whilst 1 million people died of starvation - a third of the population. And when Home rule was going to be 'granted' in 1914, until it was stopped by the Officers from the Curragh barracks who were going to resign rather than allow it to come into force in Ulster. Military interference against the democratic will of parliament. The signing of the Ulster Covenant against Home Rule was a clear call to arms against the UK government. Paisley did a similar thing in the 1980s against various Anglo-Irish attempts to attempt to solve the 'Troubles'.
The partition of Ireland saw the setting up of Northern Ireland around the Ulster - but not all the 9 counties were incorporated due to an overwhelmingly republican population in them, instead it centred around 6 counties with a majority of Protestants, who would have a guaranteed majority in the Ulster parliament and councils. This was enhanced by Plural voting - a person could vote more than once depending on how many properties/businesses they had - and most property owners/business owners in Northern Ireland were protestant it guaranteed a Protestant majority in politics. This voting arrangement applied to the rest of the UK as well but was stopped in 1948 but carried on in Northern Ireland until the Civil Rights movement started to gain momentum in the late 1960s - the precursor to the 'Troubles'. And only then was it stopped.
The Tories couldn't have made a worse choice than to rely on the DUP. The last time they relied on the Ulster Unionists in the early 1970s led to them losing the election in 1974. Those Unionists were mild and tame compared to this DUP. Whose role in the political, social, historical and economic affairs of Northern Ireland is being viewed with dismay by people who are trying to find out about the Tories new found friends. No wonder the Tories want to ban things from appearing on the internet.
It will be interesting to see how long this pact last. The message in Scotland is clear, 'Vote Tory get Orangeism' which will wipe the Tories out. The only hope they have is to split with the London Tories and attempt to go it alone. Or put a major spanner in the works and tell May openly not to get into bed with the 'gun running DUP supporters of terrorism'.
Northern Ireland has become a topic people want to know about in order to understand. Social media will be/is awash with the 'DUP gun runners support terrorists/terrorism'. The history of Ireland and the involvement of the British in that country is about to scrutinised like never before.
It will tell the story about the Elizabethan crusade into Ireland, the Scottish and English 'Planters' who took the land off the natives. It will show the first slaves were the Irish taken to colonise the Carribean and the Americas and Australia by forced deportation. They will find out that during the famine in Ireland, grain was exported by Trevelyan whilst 1 million people died of starvation - a third of the population. And when Home rule was going to be 'granted' in 1914, until it was stopped by the Officers from the Curragh barracks who were going to resign rather than allow it to come into force in Ulster. Military interference against the democratic will of parliament. The signing of the Ulster Covenant against Home Rule was a clear call to arms against the UK government. Paisley did a similar thing in the 1980s against various Anglo-Irish attempts to attempt to solve the 'Troubles'.
The partition of Ireland saw the setting up of Northern Ireland around the Ulster - but not all the 9 counties were incorporated due to an overwhelmingly republican population in them, instead it centred around 6 counties with a majority of Protestants, who would have a guaranteed majority in the Ulster parliament and councils. This was enhanced by Plural voting - a person could vote more than once depending on how many properties/businesses they had - and most property owners/business owners in Northern Ireland were protestant it guaranteed a Protestant majority in politics. This voting arrangement applied to the rest of the UK as well but was stopped in 1948 but carried on in Northern Ireland until the Civil Rights movement started to gain momentum in the late 1960s - the precursor to the 'Troubles'. And only then was it stopped.
The Tories couldn't have made a worse choice than to rely on the DUP. The last time they relied on the Ulster Unionists in the early 1970s led to them losing the election in 1974. Those Unionists were mild and tame compared to this DUP. Whose role in the political, social, historical and economic affairs of Northern Ireland is being viewed with dismay by people who are trying to find out about the Tories new found friends. No wonder the Tories want to ban things from appearing on the internet.
It will be interesting to see how long this pact last. The message in Scotland is clear, 'Vote Tory get Orangeism' which will wipe the Tories out. The only hope they have is to split with the London Tories and attempt to go it alone. Or put a major spanner in the works and tell May openly not to get into bed with the 'gun running DUP supporters of terrorism'.
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Maybe you should all sign petitions
This is spot on. Hence why it's suicidal to do it.
They should have just went for a minority government - they didn't need a formal confidence and supply discussion with the DUP; they should have left it unsaid and challenged parliament to vote her down.
That would have been putting the country and even her party before herself though. May wasn't interested - she wanted the majority for her, so she went to the DUP without a second thought.
It's disastrous for the Tories. As you say, Scotland will wipe them off the map again next GE, but not only that the vast majority of people in England will find it disgusting too.
She might cling on for now due to her actions, but she's sacrificed her own party and the neutrality of UK parliament in the matters of Northern Ireland to do it.
So "disgusting" is the right word to use for her actions. She should have resigned on the spot - even Cameron had the decency to do as much.
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This is more or less what will happen, the DUP are needed to pass the stage of creating a government that looks stable-ish. If the heat comes on from the press and therefore public (say the DUP hold the Tories to ransom etc.) they may be forced to drop them. (Therefore expect new moderate bills to be passed early on when parliament resumes when they have most strength) Brexit negotiations may not be cross party but will be tempered as if they can't pass a vote in the commons then it's fast forward to a no deal and another GE.
Two things we know for sure, there will be a Tory leadership contest before the next election whenever that it is and if it gets that far she will be gone as soon as the brexit talks have concluded.
Because they've triggered Article 50. Two year timetable set in stone.
They can only move the start of discussions, but realistically even two years isn't long enough to do it.
The correct answer at this point (but it'll never happen) is to realise the Brexit vote was a protest vote, withdraw Article 50 and run a second referendum.
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Well, that was certainly one incredibly stupid comment.
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